Do atheist worry about eternal damnation?

[Farnhamia]

I worry about Joe Pesci.

Ask not what Joe peSci can do for you, ask what you can do for Joe pesci.

I think staying out of his way is a good start.

[A Humanist Resurrection]

After reading about Pascal's wager, do atheist worry about eternal damnation, or the possibility of it occurring (according to the bible)?

Before I can accept a wager, I need to be relatively certain that the house will honor the bet. The first part of that is necessarily having some evidence that the house even exists. So, the "wager" framing presumes its own conclusion and nothing is proven or resolved. Either God doesn't exist and the wager is empty pointlessness, or God exists because the wager assumes God exists and the argument is tautological nonsense.

To put it another way, the technical non-zero possibility that space aliens are trying to warn me of the impending invasion through my toaster does not mean talking to the appliance is a good use of my already woefully limited time.

[Ethel mermania]

Ask not what Joe peSci can do for you, ask what you can do for Joe pesci.

I think staying out of his way is a good start.

he was great in goodfella's, but dad identified with vinnie gambini

[The Alma Mater]

It always amuses me greatly that people "who have been reading about Pascals wager" tend to always have magically missed the almost 400 years of counterarguments

Fortunately this thread is willing to remedy that. Carry on

[The Foxes Swamp]

Then would you accept that maybe the reason we can't observe and apply the scientific method to the concept of an afterlife within the universe is because we lack the necessary means to do so at this current time? So, until we attain the means to observe and apply the scientific method to it, we can neither declare conclusively that it exists or doesn't exist, and must deal with possibilities until we can test it.

If we cannot measure it then it can't "exist".

bullshit

[Nationalist Brazil]

nope

[Alvecia]

Only going off what I've heard, but summed up Jews are meant to be guilty about a lot of things. Death of Christ, that kind of thing. Don't know the details, it's just something I've heard a fair bit in passing.

Why would Jews feel guilty about that? None of the Jews who are alive today were personally involved in the death of Jesus, and since they don't think he was the Messiah, they have no reason to attach any religious significance to his death.

I think it's fair to say I misunserstood something somewhere down the line and never examined it close enough to notice the inconsistencies.

[Alvecia]

If we cannot measure it then it can't "exist".

bullshit

Not really.

[Conserative Morality]

I don't. Don't really see much reason to. Might as well have a Christian fear being punished by the Great Lord Xenu or whatever the latest fad is.

[USS Monitor]

Why would Jews feel guilty about that? None of the Jews who are alive today were personally involved in the death of Jesus, and since they don't think he was the Messiah, they have no reason to attach any religious significance to his death.

I think it's fair to say I misunserstood something somewhere down the line and never examined it close enough to notice the inconsistencies.

Happens to the best of us sometimes.

[Alvecia]

I think it's fair to say I misunserstood something somewhere down the line and never examined it close enough to notice the inconsistencies.

Happens to the best of us sometimes.

Then I've got no chance

[Gim]

nope

I don't, either.

[Calladan]

bullshit

Not really.

Nope - it's bullshit. The idea that because you can't measure something it therefore can't exist is LUDICROUS. I can not, objectively, measure the love my girlfriend has for me, nor I the love I have for my girlfriend. Does that mean neither of us actually love each other? That our love does not exist? Of course it doesn't.

I would hazard a guess that people can not accurately measure the size of the universe or the exact age - they can say "it's billions of years old" and "we think it's around 20 trillion light years wide" but if they can not measure the exact age or exact width, does that mean the universe does not exist? Well - I hope that is not the case or where the bloody hell are we living?

There are things in this world we can't measure. That doesn't mean they don't exist. So - conversely - you can't claim that because you can't measure something, it can't exist.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Not really.

Nope - it's bullshit. The idea that because you can't measure something it therefore can't exist is LUDICROUS. I can not, objectively, measure the love my girlfriend has for me, nor I the love I have for my girlfriend. Does that mean neither of us actually love each other? That our love does not exist? Of course it doesn't.

You could measure various hormone levels.

[Nimzonia]

After reading about Pascal's wager, do atheist worry about eternal damnation, or the possibility of it occurring (according to the bible)?

Personally, fear of eternal damnation is not my reason for belief in the bible however how can people be so dismissive of infinite loss compared to finite gains? Even though you may not accept the bible, does it not worry you slightly?

Anyone who worries about eternal damnation is at best agnostic and not an atheist. Also, Pascal's Wager is flawed and should concern nobody.

[Alvecia]

Not really.

Nope - it's bullshit. The idea that because you can't measure something it therefore can't exist is LUDICROUS. I can not, objectively, measure the love my girlfriend has for me, nor I the love I have for my girlfriend. Does that mean neither of us actually love each other? That our love does not exist? Of course it doesn't.

You can as a matter of fact. Love is in it's most basic form, nothing more than a series of chemical reactions in the brain that can be measured

I would hazard a guess that people can not accurately measure the size of the universe or the exact age - they can say "it's billions of years old" and "we think it's around 20 trillion light years wide" but if they can not measure the exact age or exact width, does that mean the universe does not exist? Well - I hope that is not the case or where the bloody hell are we living?

There are things in this world we can't measure. That doesn't mean they don't exist. So - conversely - you can't claim that because you can't measure something, it can't exist.

Accuracy doesn't come into it, the universe can still be measured. It has dimensions. It has age, both of which can be measured.

[Gim]

Not really.

Nope - it's bullshit. The idea that because you can't measure something it therefore can't exist is LUDICROUS. I can not, objectively, measure the love my girlfriend has for me, nor I the love I have for my girlfriend. Does that mean neither of us actually love each other? That our love does not exist? Of course it doesn't.

I would hazard a guess that people can not accurately measure the size of the universe or the exact age - they can say "it's billions of years old" and "we think it's around 20 trillion light years wide" but if they can not measure the exact age or exact width, does that mean the universe does not exist? Well - I hope that is not the case or where the bloody hell are we living?

There are things in this world we can't measure. That doesn't mean they don't exist. So - conversely - you can't claim that because you can't measure something, it can't exist.

Thank you. Last time, I couldn't get my words into his head. He was adamant about it.

[Hirota]

None of the Jews who are alive today were personally involved in the death of Jesus,

Apart from the now-ancient Jewish Illuminati who were there on the front row when they plunged the nails into Jesus's limbs and were splattered with his immortal-giving blood.

[Gim]

None of the Jews who are alive today were personally involved in the death of Jesus,

Apart from the now-ancient Jewish Illuminati who were there on the front row when they plunged the nails into Jesus's limbs and were splattered with his immortal-giving blood.

I wonder if they were saved, as a result of that.

[Alvecia]

Nope - it's bullshit. The idea that because you can't measure something it therefore can't exist is LUDICROUS. I can not, objectively, measure the love my girlfriend has for me, nor I the love I have for my girlfriend. Does that mean neither of us actually love each other? That our love does not exist? Of course it doesn't.

I would hazard a guess that people can not accurately measure the size of the universe or the exact age - they can say "it's billions of years old" and "we think it's around 20 trillion light years wide" but if they can not measure the exact age or exact width, does that mean the universe does not exist? Well - I hope that is not the case or where the bloody hell are we living?

There are things in this world we can't measure. That doesn't mean they don't exist. So - conversely - you can't claim that because you can't measure something, it can't exist.

Thank you. Last time, I couldn't get my words into his head. He was adamant about it.

Measured doesn't mean with a ruler. If it has an effect on the physical world, it's measureable.

[Philjia]

Thank you. Last time, I couldn't get my words into his head. He was adamant about it.

Measured doesn't mean with a ruler. If it has an effect on the physical world, it's measureable.

Or observable. EEG and PET can let us look at what's going on in the brain, even if our understanding of what it means is limited.

[Minoa]

Sadly, the question doesn't make any sense when the idea of eternal damnation is completely irrelevant to those who abstain or do not follow any religion, like me.

[Wansul]

No because it is me beleif that the human consciousness is simply gone when you due

[Thermodolia]

Sadly, the question doesn't make any sense when the idea of eternal damnation is completely irrelevant to those who abstain or do not follow any religion, like me.

Ya it's a pretty Christian centric OP

[Thermodolia]

No they don't.

Think about it, If religion is wrong:

Then, when an atheist passes away, they don't exist anymore. Like everyone else does when they pass away if religion is wrong.

If religion is right:

Then hey, they exist. That's better than non existence.

Granted, I DO fear death.
But that's a rather understandable fear I think.

Exactly. I fear the dying part but not what lies beyond