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Postby Empire of Cats » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:53 pm

I'm not overly religious. However, I do believe in God. But I seriously doubt most atheists go around worrying about burning in h-e-double toothpicks. They've made their peace with life. Why spend energy and time worrying about something they think doesn't exist?

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Postby Biancavilla » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:55 pm

I believe this kind of would mean you are uncertain about if there is eternal damnation or not and would make you more agnostic than atheist?
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Postby Kaschovia » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:07 pm

The only condition in which anyone would need to worry about eternal damnation/suffering is if its existence was scientifically and physically proven. I shouldn't worry about something that hasn't and probably won't be proven.

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Postby Taxation Killed the Dinosaurs » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:16 pm

Many won't, seeing as they think the Bible is invalid anyway. Though I would be willing to bet more of them consider it, at least at one point or another, than they let on.

Pascal's Wager can be a good way to show people why they should be interested in the afterlife, but most atheists in today's culture have heard about Hell so much that they've really gone numb to the idea. It doesn't really phase them.

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Postby Godular » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:07 pm

Taxation Killed the Dinosaurs wrote:Many won't, seeing as they think the Bible is invalid anyway. Though I would be willing to bet more of them consider it, at least at one point or another, than they let on.

Pascal's Wager can be a good way to show people why they should be interested in the afterlife, but most atheists in today's culture have heard about Hell so much that they've really gone numb to the idea. It doesn't really phase them.


So many religions out there that claim if you don't believe as they do you're gonna experience >insert undesirable afterlife here<, Pascal's wager loses its value.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:09 pm

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Taxation Killed the Dinosaurs wrote:Many won't, seeing as they think the Bible is invalid anyway. Though I would be willing to bet more of them consider it, at least at one point or another, than they let on.

Pascal's Wager can be a good way to show people why they should be interested in the afterlife, but most atheists in today's culture have heard about Hell so much that they've really gone numb to the idea. It doesn't really phase them.


So many religions out there that claim if you don't believe as they do you're gonna experience >insert undesirable afterlife here<, Pascal's wager loses its value.

Some don't though, like Buddhism or Sikhism.
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Postby Godular » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:16 pm

New haven america wrote:
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So many religions out there that claim if you don't believe as they do you're gonna experience >insert undesirable afterlife here<, Pascal's wager loses its value.

Some don't though, like Buddhism or Sikhism.


Some.

That being said, with those you mentioned, they generally focus their moral outlook on 'Don't be a dick to others'. Laudable in its own way.
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Postby United Minorities for Self-Defense » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:20 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:After reading about Pascal's wager, do atheist worry about eternal damnation, or the possibility of it occurring (according to the bible)?

Personally, fear of eternal damnation is not my reason for belief in the bible however how can people be so dismissive of infinite loss compared to finite gains? Even though you may not accept the bible, does it not worry you slightly?


Oh, they have nothing to worry. You see, if you do not believe in God or heaven, you will not exist after you die. you'll simply die and become worm and maggot food.

I believe this because they do not have faith in God or heaven.

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Postby Hallistar » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:30 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:After reading about Pascal's wager, do atheist worry about eternal damnation, or the possibility of it occurring (according to the bible)?

Personally, fear of eternal damnation is not my reason for belief in the bible however how can people be so dismissive of infinite loss compared to finite gains? Even though you may not accept the bible, does it not worry you slightly?



Pascal was wagering between the Jansenism movement within Catholicism and just flat out irreligious Atheism. He seemed to forget that there's a lot more beliefs (or lack thereof) on both sides, so it's hardly that simple.

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Postby South Pacific Republic » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:45 pm

I'm pretty sure that if atheists were concerned about eternal damnation, they probably wouldn't be atheists. Since they are, we can assume that no, they don't worry about it.

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Postby Montchevre » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:51 pm

No. I find Pascal's wager to be flawed, though this may be only because of the lower state of scientific progress during his life.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:21 pm

I spend about as much time worrying about it as I do worrying about the wrath of Tezcatlipoca.
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USS Monitor wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:After reading about Pascal's wager, do atheist worry about eternal damnation, or the possibility of it occurring (according to the bible)?

Personally, fear of eternal damnation is not my reason for belief in the bible however how can people be so dismissive of infinite loss compared to finite gains? Even though you may not accept the bible, does it not worry you slightly?


No.

If I was worried about it I wouldn't be an atheist. Do you worry about Sauron?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:51 pm

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No.

If I was worried about it I wouldn't be an atheist. Do you worry about Sauron?

I worry about Joe Pesci.


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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:55 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Simple enough because there are an infinite number of possible gods out there. There is no reason to believe your particular god is the real one. All those gods might have their own form of hell, so how do we pick when all of them have the same amount of evidence for them (none)? For all we know the real god hates those who worship any god, and likes those who worship none, so in fact you are the one who is actually putting yourself in infinite danger from that particular god. Of course, any god who puts people in hell simply because they do not worship them is a shit god not worthy of any sort of respect. That and, the very idea of worshiping anything at all is disgusting.

Well that and...since I don't believe in your god, as far as I am concerned it is as fictional as Darth Vader and Voldemort. Why would a fear a place that is pure fiction?

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Postby Gim » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:56 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:Simple enough because there are an infinite number of possible gods out there. There is no reason to believe your particular god is the real one. All those gods might have their own form of hell, so how do we pick when all of them have the same amount of evidence for them (none)? For all we know the real god hates those who worship any god, and likes those who worship none, so in fact you are the one who is actually putting yourself in infinite danger from that particular god. Of course, any god who puts people in hell simply because they do not worship them is a shit god not worthy of any sort of respect. That and, the very idea of worshiping anything at all is disgusting.

Well that and...since I don't believe in your god, as far as I am concerned it is as fictional as Darth Vader and Voldemort. Why would a fear a place that is pure fiction?

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Postby Minzerland II » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:05 pm

On occasion. I find myself, more often than not, fretting over whether I've condemned anyone else to 'eternal damnation', by changing their minds or whatnot, as opposed to my own 'eternal damnation'. That is to say, I'm focused entirely on being responsible for making others miserable forever.
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Postby Gim » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:06 pm

Minzerland II wrote:I find myself, more often than not, fretting over whether I've condemned anyone else to 'eternal damnation', by changing their minds or whatnot, as opposed to my own 'eternal damnation'. That is to say, I'm focused entirely on being responsible for making other miserable; but that is on occasion, though.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:07 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Simple enough because there are an infinite number of possible gods out there. There is no reason to believe your particular god is the real one. All those gods might have their own form of hell, so how do we pick when all of them have the same amount of evidence for them (none)? For all we know the real god hates those who worship any god, and likes those who worship none, so in fact you are the one who is actually putting yourself in infinite danger from that particular god. Of course, any god who puts people in hell simply because they do not worship them is a shit god not worthy of any sort of respect. That and, the very idea of worshiping anything at all is disgusting.

Well that and...since I don't believe in your god, as far as I am concerned it is as fictional as Darth Vader and Voldemort. Why would a fear a place that is pure fiction?

HEY!!


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Ethel mermania wrote:
Galloism wrote:HEY!!


No respect, no respect at all I tell ya.


Should've just put "except for Galloism". :lol:
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Postby Galloism » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:09 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Galloism wrote:HEY!!


No respect, no respect at all I tell ya.

None at all.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:19 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
No respect, no respect at all I tell ya.

None at all.

When I was born, the doctor slapped my mother.

No respect at all.
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Postby The Alexandrian Polis » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:23 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:After reading about Pascal's wager, do atheist worry about eternal damnation, or the possibility of it occurring (according to the bible)?

Personally, fear of eternal damnation is not my reason for belief in the bible however how can people be so dismissive of infinite loss compared to finite gains? Even though you may not accept the bible, does it not worry you slightly?


How can people be so dismissive of infinite punishment for a mortal, finite crime?

With the actual question in mind, no I do not.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:26 pm

Gim wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:I find myself, more often than not, fretting over whether I've condemned anyone else to 'eternal damnation', by changing their minds or whatnot, as opposed to my own 'eternal damnation'. That is to say, I'm focused entirely on being responsible for making other miserable; but that is on occasion, though.


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As much as I feel guilty and responsible, I also don't fancy lying to myself. I am still an atheist and I cannot bring myself to believe something I don't believe.
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