Russian Anti-Corruption Protests "Biggest Since 2012"

[Shofercia]

Probably will in 2024.

Hopefully.

It's more of a matter whether or not Putin cares more about the Russian Constitution or about his power. He can no longer be the president and/or head of United Russia, or other major political party, after the 2024 elections. Constitutionally speaking. The case with Medvedev was allowed, because there was still Crisis in the Caucasus. Putin inherited the Caucasus from a drunkard president. Right now, most of Russia's problems are the result of his leadership, as are the numerous benefits, so Putin cannot play the drunkard Yeltsin card again.

2. Are you seriously telling me that Russia has the capability to influence the US elections to such a degree that Russia can turn the US into a one party state for four years? Seriously? That's your argument?

No, you're wrong. You seriously think Mother Russia can't have political influence on America? You serious? Really?


Just for the laughs.

There's a fine line between having political influence and turning the US into a one party state. Of course Russia has political influence. Russia can stop America from bombing Russia's allies. But considering that Russian influence in the US was unable to get the US to recognize Crimea, I doubt that electing Trump was a possibility. Even a remote one.

[Gim]

There's a fine line between having political influence and turning the US into a one party state. Of course Russia has political influence. Russia can stop America from bombing Russia's allies. But considering that Russian influence in the US was unable to get the US to recognize Crimea, I doubt that electing Trump was a possibility. Even a remote one.

Do you think the American government is outright accusing Trump using the Russian government, since it cannot blame the problem upon its citizens? I mean, virtually all of the white, blue-collar Americans voted for him, regardless of whether the act was overt or covert.

[New haven america]

2.But they did do it, all 17 US security agencies agree Russia did it, hell, they've even found the specific phishing emails that got into the DNC's and RNC's databases (Which doesn't actually surprise me, our government and things relating to our government are kinda terrible when it comes to cybersecurity).
3. Well, that's good, but that won't be much help, considering: A) Republicans still control the government, and B) Most average Americans don't actually understand how the EC works (The most common misperception is that whoever wins the most states is the winner, which is false). So what we really need to do is educate the American public on this matter, and why it doesn't work... yeah... Freezing Hell over (Not Hell, Sweden, which is an actual place BTW) would be an easier task then teaching the American public.
4. Trump supporters work in mysterious ways.

2. Are you seriously telling me that Russia has the capability to influence the US elections to such a degree that Russia can turn the US into a one party state for four years? Seriously? That's your argument?

3. Most Americans might not understand how it works, even though those of us who are younger than 40 have shows that explain it rather easily, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk but most Americans are against it: http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/19 ... elections/

The McClatchy-Marist poll revealed that 52 percent of registered voters think that the popular vote should be the deciding factor in future elections, and 45 percent think the Electoral College should remain in place. Three percent of those polled were unsure.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... llege-poll

4. A good thing to say when argument is lacking.

2. Well, they did influence the voter base by leaking info about the DNC, so apparently they do have that kind of power. (Also, all 17 security agencies, especially the FBI and CIA have proof that Russia hacked into the DNC and RNC and released DNC info, so yeah...)
4. Since apparently the majority of American's are against the EC, would it really surprise you if a few Trump supporters were in that group?

[Gim]

2. Are you seriously telling me that Russia has the capability to influence the US elections to such a degree that Russia can turn the US into a one party state for four years? Seriously? That's your argument?

3. Most Americans might not understand how it works, even though those of us who are younger than 40 have shows that explain it rather easily, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk but most Americans are against it: http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/19 ... elections/



http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... llege-poll

4. A good thing to say when argument is lacking.

2. Well, they did influence the voter base by leaking info about the DNC, so apparently they do have that kind of power. (Also, all 17 security agencies, especially the FBI and CIA have proof that Russia hacked into the DNC and RNC and released DNC info, so yeah...)
4. Since apparently the majority of American's are against the EC, would it really surprise you if a few Trump supporters were in that group?

What does DNC stand for again?

[New haven america]

There's a fine line between having political influence and turning the US into a one party state. Of course Russia has political influence. Russia can stop America from bombing Russia's allies. But considering that Russian influence in the US was unable to get the US to recognize Crimea, I doubt that electing Trump was a possibility. Even a remote one.

Do you think the American government is outright accusing Trump using the Russian government, since it cannot blame the problem upon its citizens? I mean, virtually all of the white, blue-collar Americans voted for him, regardless of whether the act was overt or covert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

The most incriminating part starts at 20 sec.

[New haven america]

2. Well, they did influence the voter base by leaking info about the DNC, so apparently they do have that kind of power. (Also, all 17 security agencies, especially the FBI and CIA have proof that Russia hacked into the DNC and RNC and released DNC info, so yeah...)
4. Since apparently the majority of American's are against the EC, would it really surprise you if a few Trump supporters were in that group?

What does DNC stand for again?

DNC=Democratic National Committee
RNC=Republican National Committee

They're the organizations who run the Democratic and Republican parties.

[Gim]

Do you think the American government is outright accusing Trump using the Russian government, since it cannot blame the problem upon its citizens? I mean, virtually all of the white, blue-collar Americans voted for him, regardless of whether the act was overt or covert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

Why would he encourage the Russian government to hack his fellow politician, hoping for a compromise of the American Cybernetwork?

[New haven america]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

Why would he encourage the Russian government to hack his fellow politician, hoping for a compromise of the American Cybernetwork?

Because he likes Russia and Putin.

He has singlehandedly turned the GOP from anti- to pro-Russia in only 12 months. (Granted, there might have been some undercurrent, but if there was, they were very quiet about it)

[Gauthier]

Why would he encourage the Russian government to hack his fellow politician, hoping for a compromise of the American Cybernetwork?

Because he likes Russia and Putin.

He has singlehandedly turned the GOP from anti- to pro-Russia in only 12 months. (Granted, there might have been some undercurrent, but if there was, they were very quiet about it)

Even before Trump ran for office the Republicans had a Putin fetish, especially in regards to how they could trash talk Obama with it.

[Gim]

Because he likes Russia and Putin.

He has singlehandedly turned the GOP from anti- to pro-Russia in only 12 months. (Granted, there might have been some undercurrent, but if there was, they were very quiet about it)

Even before Trump ran for office the Republicans had a Putin fetish, especially in regards to how they could trash talk Obama with it.

What's wrong with him? Why's he like this?

[New haven america]

Even before Trump ran for office the Republicans had a Putin fetish, especially in regards to how they could trash talk Obama with it.

What's wrong with him? Why's he like this?

Putin, Trump, or Obama?

[Gim]

What's wrong with him? Why's he like this?

Putin, Trump, or Obama?

Putin and Trump.

[New haven america]

Putin, Trump, or Obama?

Putin and Trump.

Well... Putin's basically a dictator, so anything that helps him or Russia (Like having a US President who wants to lift the sanctions or wants to work with Russia) is something he likes. Also he was raised during the Cold War, so even though the US hasn't actually done anything to Russia (Other than putting sanctions on Russia in 2014), he still views America as Russia's enemy (Even though we're miles more developed than Russia is).

Trump on the other hand, is a narcissistic idiot.

[Gim]

Putin and Trump.

Well... Putin's basically a dictator, so anything that helps him or Russia (Like having a US President who wants to life the sanctions or working with Russia) is something he likes.

Trump on the other hand, is a narcissistic idiot.

Yeah, I thought so.

[MERIZoC]

My prediction: this thread will outlast the protests

This is a fair guess.

[Minoa]

The crackdown on the protests are completely terrible, and so is the state of corruption in the country. I may be critical of the so-called establishment, but I don't see that as an excuse to try and please Putin.

[Novus America]

Why would he encourage the Russian government to hack his fellow politician, hoping for a compromise of the American Cybernetwork?

Because he likes Russia and Putin.

He has singlehandedly turned the GOP from anti- to pro-Russia in only 12 months. (Granted, there might have been some undercurrent, but if there was, they were very quiet about it)

Well it was not the "American cyber networks" that was attacked. Sounds way to dramatic and like it was our government networks being attacked. It was a private organization being phished.

Also like does not come into it. Trump thought he could use Russia and Putin to his advantage.
He just used Putin as a tool.

And the though some in the GOP look on Putin positively as he his a right wing nationalist, the GOP is hardly United on the manner, and Trump and Russia have already had a falling out.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

No big deal. The rabble will go out shouting in the streets for a few days, a couple hundred will be given a good beating by OMON and arrested, the few most outspoken of them will get jail sentences or a stay in the looney bin, the media will blame the whole affair on Western subversives, and things will go on as usual.

[Shofercia]

There's a fine line between having political influence and turning the US into a one party state. Of course Russia has political influence. Russia can stop America from bombing Russia's allies. But considering that Russian influence in the US was unable to get the US to recognize Crimea, I doubt that electing Trump was a possibility. Even a remote one.

Do you think the American government is outright accusing Trump using the Russian government, since it cannot blame the problem upon its citizens? I mean, virtually all of the white, blue-collar Americans voted for him, regardless of whether the act was overt or covert.

Nah, it's just those with ties to the DNC, and the butthurt warhawks, like McCain.

2. Are you seriously telling me that Russia has the capability to influence the US elections to such a degree that Russia can turn the US into a one party state for four years? Seriously? That's your argument?

3. Most Americans might not understand how it works, even though those of us who are younger than 40 have shows that explain it rather easily, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90RajY2nrgk but most Americans are against it: http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12/19 ... elections/



http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... llege-poll

4. A good thing to say when argument is lacking.

2. Well, they did influence the voter base by leaking info about the DNC, so apparently they do have that kind of power. (Also, all 17 security agencies, especially the FBI and CIA have proof that Russia hacked into the DNC and RNC and released DNC info, so yeah...)
4. Since apparently the majority of American's are against the EC, would it really surprise you if a few Trump supporters were in that group?

2. Proof of Russia's alleged hacking isn't proof of influencing the election. Once again, if the Dems didn't lose the blue collar white working class vote, they'd win the election, hack or no hack. I'm not denying that Russian Hackers can hack the United States. I am simply pointing out that Russia cannot influence American Elections to a degree that would actually make a difference, much like America cannot influence Russian Elections to a degree that would actually make a difference, anymore.

4. Maybe the ones with the very low IQ who cannot fathom logic. Don't forget, that Trump supporters think he's the best post Cold War President, so if the EC is what keeps him in power, and it is, then they'll support the EC like mad.

[Novus America]

No big deal. The rabble will go out shouting in the streets for a few days, a couple hundred will be given a good beating by OMON and arrested, the few most outspoken of them will get jail sentences or a stay in the looney bin, the media will blame the whole affair on Western subversives, and things will go on as usual.

Exactly.

[Shofercia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

Why would he encourage the Russian government to hack his fellow politician, hoping for a compromise of the American Cybernetwork?

Because the DNC and the RNC truly hate each other. They only get together to preserve the two-party monopoly, while turning the electoral process into a zero sum game.

Why would he encourage the Russian government to hack his fellow politician, hoping for a compromise of the American Cybernetwork?

Because he likes Russia and Putin.

He has singlehandedly turned the GOP from anti- to pro-Russia in only 12 months. (Granted, there might have been some undercurrent, but if there was, they were very quiet about it)

Like Obama's reset, or Obama's nuke comment? Because of the extremely foolish challenge by the Bush Administration of Russia in Georgia, Obama had to be soft on Russia. Because of the extremely foolish challenge by the Obama Administration of Russia in Ukraine, Trump has to be soft on Russia. It's almost as if challenging Russia in the former SSRs, outside of the Baltics, is really fucking dumb. It's almost as if people should follow Jack Matlock's advice, someone who's an actual expert on Russia.

[Novus America]

Why would he encourage the Russian government to hack his fellow politician, hoping for a compromise of the American Cybernetwork?

Because the DNC and the RNC truly hate each other. They only get together to preserve the two-party monopoly, while turning the electoral process into a zero sum game.

Because he likes Russia and Putin.

He has singlehandedly turned the GOP from anti- to pro-Russia in only 12 months. (Granted, there might have been some undercurrent, but if there was, they were very quiet about it)

Like Obama's reset, or Obama's nuke comment? Because of the extremely foolish challenge by the Bush Administration of Russia in Georgia, Obama had to be soft on Russia. Because of the extremely foolish challenge by the Obama Administration of Russia in Ukraine, Trump has to be soft on Russia. It's almost as if challenging Russia in the former SSRs, outside of the Baltics, is really fucking dumb. It's almost as if people should follow Jack Matlock's advice, someone who's an actual expert on Russia.

Nobody has to go soft on Russia. And Trump in office has been much less soft than Obama intially was. The US does not need Russia. Sure we are not willing to pay the cost of actually stopping Russian in say Crimea, we most certainly can make Russia pay a cost for it.

[Shofercia]

Putin and Trump.

Well... Putin's basically a dictator, so anything that helps him or Russia (Like having a US President who wants to lift the sanctions or wants to work with Russia) is something he likes. Also he was raised during the Cold War, so even though the US hasn't actually done anything to Russia (Other than putting sanctions on Russia in 2014), he still views America as Russia's enemy (Even though we're miles more developed than Russia is).

Trump on the other hand, is a narcissistic idiot.

The United States hasn't done anything to Russia? Oh really?

- Reelection of Yeltsin in 1996 by independent American Advisers, despite massive election fraud it was officially recognized by the United States
- US funded NGOs interfering with the First and Second Chechen War
- US helped stage three Color Revolutions, bringing Russophobic Governments to power
- US bombed Serbia, despite explicit warning from Russia that it was going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back; that almost led to WWIII
- US attempted to mess with Russia's nuclear research, while Russia was in anarchy in the 1990s
- US armed Georgia to create chaos in what was Russia's most volatile region at the time
- US partially funded and diplomatically supported bringing an incredibly Russophobic Government to power in Ukraine

Whether that was intentional or not, whether that was official Government Policy or not, is another question. But there's certainly been a fuck ton of issues. I'm just bringing up the major ones.

The crackdown on the protests are completely terrible, and so is the state of corruption in the country. I may be critical of the so-called establishment, but I don't see that as an excuse to try and please Putin.

How many people are still in jail? Just wondering, since you're calling this "completely terrible" if you know what's going on.

My prediction: this thread will outlast the protests

This is a fair guess.

Just need for it to go another 24 hours

[Shofercia]

Because the DNC and the RNC truly hate each other. They only get together to preserve the two-party monopoly, while turning the electoral process into a zero sum game.




Like Obama's reset, or Obama's nuke comment? Because of the extremely foolish challenge by the Bush Administration of Russia in Georgia, Obama had to be soft on Russia. Because of the extremely foolish challenge by the Obama Administration of Russia in Ukraine, Trump has to be soft on Russia. It's almost as if challenging Russia in the former SSRs, outside of the Baltics, is really fucking dumb. It's almost as if people should follow Jack Matlock's advice, someone who's an actual expert on Russia.

Nobody has to go soft on Russia. And Trump in office has been much less soft than Obama intially was. The US does not need Russia. Sure we are not willing to pay the cost of actually stopping Russian in say Crimea, we most certainly can make Russia pay a cost for it.

If people like you represented the majority of Americans, I would cheer the American effort against Russia in Crimea, because the end result would be utter humiliation for the US. Thankfully, you don't represent the majority, and my advice is to stop challenging Russia on the issue of Crimea; only humiliation awaits on that front. If the Demographic and Economic data on Ukraine and Crimea doesn't tell you the story, nothing will.

[Novus America]

Nobody has to go soft on Russia. And Trump in office has been much less soft than Obama intially was. The US does not need Russia. Sure we are not willing to pay the cost of actually stopping Russian in say Crimea, we most certainly can make Russia pay a cost for it.

If people like you represented the majority of Americans, I would cheer the American effort against Russia in Crimea, because the end result would be utter humiliation for the US. Thankfully, you don't represent the majority, and my advice is to stop challenging Russia on the issue of Crimea; only humiliation awaits on that front. If the Demographic and Economic data on Ukraine and Crimea doesn't tell you the story, nothing will.

The majority of Americans think negatively of Russia you know.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2422
So I do represent the majority on this.

Oh Really? How?
The status quo is fine for us, just strengthen the sanctions.
I know you have these dreams Ukraine is going to join Russia or something but they are silly.

And yes, look at the economic and demographic data. The places in Ukraine doing best economically and demographically are in the WEST.

The Ukrainian ecnomy is growing, albeit slowly, driven by argiculture from the west.
It grew in 2.2% in 2016 which is faster than Russia BTW.

The places in Ukraine with the highest birthrates are in the west.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra ... 2011ua.PNG

As time goes on support for Russia in Ukraine will continue to drop, and economic and political power will continue to shift west.

Sure you got Crimea, and you will keep it. And you got some ruins in the Donbass.
But you lost the rest of Ukraine as a result. Russia actually sped up the process considerably by removing the most pro Russian areas.

Russian actions in Ukraine were an act of desperation. To keep what they could before they lost the entire thing.

Not a horrible outcome for us at all.