Novus America wrote:Shofercia wrote:
If people like you represented the majority of Americans, I would cheer the American effort against Russia in Crimea, because the end result would be utter humiliation for the US. Thankfully, you don't represent the majority, and my advice is to stop challenging Russia on the issue of Crimea; only humiliation awaits on that front. If the Demographic and Economic data on Ukraine and Crimea doesn't tell you the story, nothing will.
The majority of Americans think negatively of Russia you know.
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-de ... aseID=2422
So I do represent the majority on this.
I doubt the majority have such passion about such cluelessness.
Novus America wrote:Oh Really? How?
The status quo is fine for us, just strengthen the sanctions.
I know you have these dreams Ukraine is going to join Russia or something but they are silly.
And yes, look at the economic and demographic data. The places in Ukraine doing best economically and demographically are in the WEST.
Better than Crimea? Because there's a war in Donetsk and Lugansk, so places without war generally do better than places with war. So, are you saying that Western Ukraine is doing better than Crimea, demographically and economically? I just want to understand your argument before slaughtering it, so that you cannot pretend to mean something else when your argument is slaughtered.
Novus America wrote:The Ukrainian ecnomy is growing, albeit slowly, driven by argiculture from the west.
It grew in 2.2% in 2016 which is faster than Russia BTW.
Yes, your ability to cherry pick statistics is known to me. Ukraine's economy: http://www.focus-economics.com/countries/ukraine
Here's the GDP in billions of American Dollars:
2011: 163
2012: 173
2013: 180
2014: 131 (and yes, 2014 is when Maidan happened, sponsored partially by USAID)
2015: 87
2016: 89 (that's assuming that your statistic is correct)
So three years after USAID sponsored Maidan, Ukraine lost half of its GDP, but Novus is cheering 2.2% growth. Hey, that's like saying "I know our basketball team lost 101-21, but did you see that amazing 3 pointer at the end?" Of course looking at the demographic decline, the boost is very much temporary.
Novus America wrote:The places in Ukraine with the highest birthrates are in the west.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra ... 2011ua.PNG
As time goes on support for Russia in Ukraine will continue to drop, and economic and political power will continue to shift west.
Sure you got Crimea, and you will keep it. And you got some ruins in the Donbass.
But you lost the rest of Ukraine as a result. Russia actually sped up the process considerably by removing the most pro Russian areas.
Russian actions in Ukraine were an act of desperation. To keep what they could before they lost the entire thing.
Not a horrible outcome for us at all.
Always good to see you following the logic of Napoleon the III. Thing is, we don't want Western Ukraine. We have plenty of land. If Western Ukraine wants to go off and play with NATO - let them go. Just another albatross around the EU's neck, just like South Kosovo. And Europeans - take note. Americans like Novus are more than happy to hang albatrosses on your neck. Think about that, and then decide - have you had enough to start working on your own foreign policy, or are you going to continue to live in fear of a mythical invasion?