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Nocturnalis
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Postby Nocturnalis » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:56 pm

Don't be silly, OP. Democracy and mob rule is the way to go. One-man authoritarian rule has never wor-
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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:57 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:"No, democracy eventually breeds the sort of problems we have now. It degenerates. It goes from "Minorities shouldn't be slaves" to "Minorities should have basic rights" to "minorities can vote" to "minorities can represent/lead"

Then it goes from "Homosexuals shouldn't be permitted" to "Homosexuals can engage in sodomy without jail time" to "homosexuals can marry"... I mean, it all devolves over time as an uncontrolled culture and society undermines itself. Culture in a 'free society' eventually disintegrates into the most shocking things, things that sell. Like sex. This devolves society and undermines our morals, our nation and denigrates our race.

A strong, idealistic party is the only way to assure that the ideology is not only maintained but imposed.

Democracy sucks, but ideological vanguard parties suck too. We need a different structure entirely.
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Postby American Imperial Realm » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:57 pm

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No, democracy eventually breeds the sort of problems we have now. It degenerates. It goes from "Minorities shouldn't be slaves" to "Minorities should have basic rights" to "minorities can vote" to "minorities can represent/lead"

Then it goes from "Homosexuals shouldn't be permitted" to "Homosexuals can engage in sodomy without jail time" to "homosexuals can marry"... I mean, it all devolves over time as an uncontrolled culture and society undermines itself. Culture in a 'free society' eventually disintegrates into the most shocking things, things that sell. Like sex. This devolves society and undermines our morals, our nation and denigrates our race.

A strong, idealistic party is the only way to assure that the ideology is not only maintained but imposed.


You see degeneration, I see progression.

And clearly, since this was all decided through democracy, the USA sees it that way too 8)


History has shown that the only way to fix such 'progress' is to install a government capable of reversing the effects of such degeneration.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:59 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:Don't be silly, OP. Democracy and mob rule is the way to go. One-man authoritarian rule has never wor-

Oh hey, it's that guy whose government killed Jesus.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:59 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:
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You see degeneration, I see progression.

And clearly, since this was all decided through democracy, the USA sees it that way too 8)


History has shown that the only way to fix such 'progress' is to install a government capable of reversing the effects of such degeneration.


Please show me the historical examples where gay marriage was going from legal to illegal.
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Postby Soyouso » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:59 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:Don't be silly, OP. Democracy and mob rule is the way to go. One-man authoritarian rule has never wor-

Is there some way I can reward you for posting this?

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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:59 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Nocturnalis wrote:Don't be silly, OP. Democracy and mob rule is the way to go. One-man authoritarian rule has never wor-

Oh hey, it's that guy whose government killed Jesus.

That's Augustus. Jesus was killed by the government of Tiberius. Just one of his many accomplishments.
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Postby American Imperial Realm » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:00 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
American Imperial Realm wrote:
History has shown that the only way to fix such 'progress' is to install a government capable of reversing the effects of such degeneration.


Please show me the historical examples where gay marriage was going from legal to illegal.


Gay Marriage is very recent. For the last couple thousand years of human civilization, it was punished.
20, 30 years ago gay marriage was a joke.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:01 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:
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Please show me the historical examples where gay marriage was going from legal to illegal.


Gay Marriage is very recent. For the last couple thousand years of human civilization, it was punished.
20, 30 years ago gay marriage was a joke.


So history has not shown that there's a government capable of reversing it?

8)
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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:02 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
American Imperial Realm wrote:
History has shown that the only way to fix such 'progress' is to install a government capable of reversing the effects of such degeneration.


Please show me the historical examples where gay marriage was going from legal to illegal.

Doesn't really happen that way. When was Roman law repealed in Europe? It was just buried under the rubble and something new was built on top.
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Postby Soyouso » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:04 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:
History has shown that the only way to fix such 'progress' is to install a government capable of reversing the effects of such degeneration.

Because two adult males or adult females getting married and having sex in the privacy of their own home consensually negatively affects society in some way.
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If my country every does go fascist by some miracle, I do hope we focus on issues that matter for the sake of our progression into stability and greatness. Our society is too distracted nowadays.

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Postby American Imperial Realm » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:04 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
American Imperial Realm wrote:
Gay Marriage is very recent. For the last couple thousand years of human civilization, it was punished.
20, 30 years ago gay marriage was a joke.


So history has not shown that there's a government capable of reversing it?

8)


Let's take Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist ... ablishment

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Postby Nocturnalis » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:09 pm

HMS Queen Elizabeth wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Oh hey, it's that guy whose government killed Jesus.

That's Augustus. Jesus was killed by the government of Tiberius. Just one of his many accomplishments.

He's not technically wrong, though. The government system established by Augustus, the Principate, survived for centuries following Augustus' death with few changes until the Crises of the Third Century.

American Imperial Realm wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
So history has not shown that there's a government capable of reversing it?

8)


Let's take Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist ... ablishment

Or the Soviet Union, for that matter. Tsarist-era laws against same-sex relations were lifted in 1917, then gradually reapplied in many of the individual Republics before being applied over the whole Union by 1934.

Soyouso wrote:Is there some way I can reward you for posting this?

I take cash or credit. :P
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Postby Noraika » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:12 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
So history has not shown that there's a government capable of reversing it?

8)


Let's take Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist ... ablishment

Still not seeing the objective negative effects of this so-called "degeneracy", to be honest. Any objective reasons to back up that society would mutually benefit from illegality of homosexuality, to remain on that topic?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:19 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Nocturnalis wrote:Don't be silly, OP. Democracy and mob rule is the way to go. One-man authoritarian rule has never wor-

Oh hey, it's that guy whose government killed Jesus.

Jesus was Jewish, though.
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Postby Philjia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:20 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:Don't be silly, OP. Democracy and mob rule is the way to go. One-man authoritarian rule has never wor-


At least suggest a good emperor, like Hadrian.

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Postby Nocturnalis » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:31 pm

Philjia wrote:
Nocturnalis wrote:Don't be silly, OP. Democracy and mob rule is the way to go. One-man authoritarian rule has never wor-


At least suggest a good emperor, like Hadrian.

I did suggest a good Emperor. One of the best, in fact.

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Postby Philjia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:32 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
You see degeneration, I see progression.

And clearly, since this was all decided through democracy, the USA sees it that way too 8)


History has shown that the only way to fix such 'progress' is to install a government capable of reversing the effects of such degeneration.

Who will then be destroyed, from within or without. They'll always be undermined. The monarchy of the UK was overruled by the nobility, and then the merchants. The Roman Empires fell in war. Hitler was besieged by the armies of the west and the USSR. The USSR itself was legislated out of existence. Franco lasted a long while, but fascist Spain died with him. Yugoslavia broke up. The centre of power in Japan drifted from the Emperor to the Shogun and then back, who established a western style government under him, and which superseded the emperor after WW2.

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Postby American Imperial Realm » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:37 pm

Philjia wrote:
American Imperial Realm wrote:
History has shown that the only way to fix such 'progress' is to install a government capable of reversing the effects of such degeneration.

Who will then be destroyed, from within or without. They'll always be undermined. The monarchy of the UK was overruled by the nobility, and then the merchants. The Roman Empires fell in war. Hitler was besieged by the armies of the west and the USSR. The USSR itself was legislated out of existence. Franco lasted a long while, but fascist Spain died with him. Yugoslavia broke up. The centre of power in Japan drifted from the Emperor to the Shogun and then back, who established a western style government under him, and which superseded the emperor after WW2.


Hitler was besieged before Nuclear weapons were a thing, and he fought western allies(English and Americans, who were, at the time, aryan.)

the USSR was a communist shithole

Franco did indeed last a long time, and his legacy of dealing with the problems of Spain continue on to this day.

The Roman Empire did not fall to war, it fell to foreign migrants after thousands of years of existence as a civilization that laid the foundation for the nationstates of Europe, as well as accomplishments in the area of science, the arts and so on. The Legacy of the Roman Empire can still be found today in Latin, for example.

If you're trying to demonstrate the inefficacy of authoritarian governments, i don't think the USSR(which industrialized the soviet union in less than a decade), Nazi Germany(which went from bankrupt puppet state to the edge of world domination) or the Roman Empire(which lasted 500 years and contributed a great deal to western civilization) are good examples.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:43 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:You don't dissolve the senate until you've completed your Death Star.

And even then make sure you shield your exhaust port and check to see if Bannon has a pair of twins he doesn't know about.


I don't want to dissolve the senate, i still want them around to rubber stamp our legislation.

Fuck your legislation and fuck a rubber stamp legislative branch
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Postby American Imperial Realm » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:44 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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I don't want to dissolve the senate, i still want them around to rubber stamp our legislation.

Fuck your legislation and fuck a rubber stamp legislative branch


I sense a lot of animosity, why so upset?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:46 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:
United Ambera wrote:"Empower the Executive"
Yeah, that will surely fulfill the direct will of the people (sarcasm if you couldn't tell)
And that piece of paper is what help found and develop America, to simply get rid of it would harm the nation in many ways.
It is true that many members of Congress are corrupt, but completely switching to a system of near totalitarian scale wouldn't give people more will over the Government and wouldn't serve them in any way.


It would serve the will of the people better than Congress or the current ruling party ever could. The Bushes and Clintons of the world who dominate, and the people like Trump... They're the standard in our failed dual-party system. It's time to throw off the shackles of established oppression and throw the whole corrupt, rotten structure away.

A strong executive who is able to secure our Race and our nation is what we need. The people are generally not very intelligent, and don't bother learning about the issues. They vote their feelings, not their logic. The problem with the liberal ideology generally.

We need a strong leader who will deport non-whites, who will create policies to preserve the white character of our nation. We need a leader who will institute universal healthcare over the whims of the electorate, someone who will not let weakness hinder us from the necessary policies to exterminate our enemies, such as ISIS.

Gloves off, enemies under ground. That's how it has to be done.

Our race? Ya fuck that shit! Racism ironically is based on feelings and not logic.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:47 pm

Congress is largely a theatrical production. Its largely a pork market for the rich where different companies, elites, and dynastic politicians trade favours all day.

Its time to get rid of it.

Its time to really empower the government to get things done.

The American people deserve better. The Americans deserve strong leadership.

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Postby American Imperial Realm » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:49 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Congress is largely a theatrical production. Its largely a pork market for the rich where different companies, elites, and dynastic politicians trade favours all day.

Its time to get rid of it.

Its time to really empower the government to get things done.

The American people deserve better. The Americans deserve strong leadership.


I agree wholeheartedly.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:50 pm

American Imperial Realm wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That's a shame, it's always funnier when authoritarian types imagine that they'd have all the power instead of being the ones with the boot on their necks.


I'd expect to be pretty low on the totem poll. I'd be happy just being a functionary, maybe an agent or soldier of the Regime. The pleasure of rounding up my enemies would be more than enough to keep me happy for a lifetime.

Ya I'd hate that. I will never live under a dictatorship. If such a thing happened I'd be on the front lines of the resistance.
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