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by Vassenor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:50 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:51 pm
American Imperial Realm wrote:The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ah, so then it would revert back to some kind of democracy, since that's in its best interests.
No, democracy eventually breeds the sort of problems we have now. It degenerates. It goes from "Minorities shouldn't be slaves" to "Minorities should have basic rights" to "minorities can vote" to "minorities can represent/lead"
Then it goes from "Homosexuals shouldn't be permitted" to "Homosexuals can engage in sodomy without jail time" to "homosexuals can marry"... I mean, it all devolves over time as an uncontrolled culture and society undermines itself. Culture in a 'free society' eventually disintegrates into the most shocking things, things that sell. Like sex. This devolves society and undermines our morals, our nation and denigrates our race.
A strong, idealistic party is the only way to assure that the ideology is not only maintained but imposed.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:51 pm
American Imperial Realm wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:Congress is largely a theatrical production. Its largely a pork market for the rich where different companies, elites, and dynastic politicians trade favours all day.
Its time to get rid of it.
Its time to really empower the government to get things done.
The American people deserve better. The Americans deserve strong leadership.
I agree wholeheartedly.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:53 pm
Thermodolia wrote:American Imperial Realm wrote:
No, democracy eventually breeds the sort of problems we have now. It degenerates. It goes from "Minorities shouldn't be slaves" to "Minorities should have basic rights" to "minorities can vote" to "minorities can represent/lead"
Then it goes from "Homosexuals shouldn't be permitted" to "Homosexuals can engage in sodomy without jail time" to "homosexuals can marry"... I mean, it all devolves over time as an uncontrolled culture and society undermines itself. Culture in a 'free society' eventually disintegrates into the most shocking things, things that sell. Like sex. This devolves society and undermines our morals, our nation and denigrates our race.
A strong, idealistic party is the only way to assure that the ideology is not only maintained but imposed.
That's not a design flaw, that's the idea.
by Great Minarchistan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:54 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:54 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:55 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:56 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Thermodolia wrote:That's not a design flaw, that's the idea.
I've always thought of a democracy like a high school popularity contest (except for adults and with real financial and social consequences). Its a very strange way to run a nation.
Why be a mediocre nation that only appeals to the average denominator when we can instead be led by the strong?
by Great Minarchistan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:57 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:
its been working for thousands of years
the vast majority of history's governments have been authoritarian and dictatorial, and they've moved us forward for the most part... hundreds and hundreds of regimes of technological, commercial, and social progress
by USS Monitor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:57 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:59 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:02 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
I've always thought of a democracy like a high school popularity contest (except for adults and with real financial and social consequences). Its a very strange way to run a nation.
Why be a mediocre nation that only appeals to the average denominator when we can instead be led by the strong?
Because everyone gets a say. I don't want to live in a state where some strongman rules as they please
by Soyouso » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:05 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Because everyone gets a say. I don't want to live in a state where some strongman rules as they please
If everyone gets a say, then the only logical outcome is that you're going to get mediocre to poor governance outcomes because not everyone is equally qualified to make decisions.
The optimal way to govern should be to find a way to make the decisions of those who are most qualified count the most.
If you're going to operate a military campaign, you don't want everyone to have a say. You want the best military minds working on it. Same with any medical, commercial, technological campaign... It's the same principle with governance.
If you see a bad dictatorship the correct answer isn't to go... "Well let's give everyone a say," that just guarantees mediocre to poor outcomes.
It should be... "Well lets look for the right group to take command."
by Great Minarchistan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:12 pm
by Jute » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:18 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Because everyone gets a say. I don't want to live in a state where some strongman rules as they please
If everyone gets a say, then the only logical outcome is that you're going to get mediocre to poor governance outcomes because not everyone is equally qualified to make decisions.
The optimal way to govern should be to find a way to make the decisions of those who are most qualified count the most.
If you're going to operate a military campaign, you don't want everyone to have a say. You want the best military minds working on it. Same with any medical, commercial, technological campaign... It's the same principle with governance.
If you see a bad dictatorship the correct answer isn't to go... "Well let's give everyone a say," that just guarantees mediocre to poor outcomes.
It should be... "Well lets look for the right group to take command."
Carl Sagan, astrophysicist and atheist wrote:"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.
When we recognize our place in an immensity of light-years and in the passage of ages,
when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling,
that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual...
The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both."
Italios wrote:Jute's probably some sort of Robin Hood-type outlaw
"Boys and girls so happy, young and gay / Don't let false worldly joy carry your hearts away."
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:20 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Because everyone gets a say. I don't want to live in a state where some strongman rules as they please
If everyone gets a say, then the only logical outcome is that you're going to get mediocre to poor governance outcomes because not everyone is equally qualified to make decisions.
The optimal way to govern should be to find a way to make the decisions of those who are most qualified count the most.
If you're going to operate a military campaign, you don't want everyone to have a say. You want the best military minds working on it. Same with any medical, commercial, technological campaign... It's the same principle with governance.
If you see a bad dictatorship the correct answer isn't to go... "Well let's give everyone a say," that just guarantees mediocre to poor outcomes.
It should be... "Well lets look for the right group to take command."
Soyouso wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
If everyone gets a say, then the only logical outcome is that you're going to get mediocre to poor governance outcomes because not everyone is equally qualified to make decisions.
The optimal way to govern should be to find a way to make the decisions of those who are most qualified count the most.
If you're going to operate a military campaign, you don't want everyone to have a say. You want the best military minds working on it. Same with any medical, commercial, technological campaign... It's the same principle with governance.
If you see a bad dictatorship the correct answer isn't to go... "Well let's give everyone a say," that just guarantees mediocre to poor outcomes.
It should be... "Well lets look for the right group to take command."
Infected Mushroom for leader 2k21
That was brilliant.
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:21 pm
by Thermodolia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:28 pm
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:29 pm
American Imperial Realm wrote:...The Roman Empire...fell...after thousands of years of existence...the Roman Empire(which lasted 500 years...)...
by USS Monitor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:44 pm
American Imperial Realm wrote:Philjia wrote:Who will then be destroyed, from within or without. They'll always be undermined. The monarchy of the UK was overruled by the nobility, and then the merchants. The Roman Empires fell in war. Hitler was besieged by the armies of the west and the USSR. The USSR itself was legislated out of existence. Franco lasted a long while, but fascist Spain died with him. Yugoslavia broke up. The centre of power in Japan drifted from the Emperor to the Shogun and then back, who established a western style government under him, and which superseded the emperor after WW2.
Hitler was besieged before Nuclear weapons were a thing, and he fought western allies(English and Americans, who were, at the time, aryan.)
the USSR was a communist shithole
Franco did indeed last a long time, and his legacy of dealing with the problems of Spain continue on to this day.
The Roman Empire did not fall to war, it fell to foreign migrants after thousands of years of existence as a civilization that laid the foundation for the nationstates of Europe, as well as accomplishments in the area of science, the arts and so on. The Legacy of the Roman Empire can still be found today in Latin, for example.
If you're trying to demonstrate the inefficacy of authoritarian governments, i don't think the USSR(which industrialized the soviet union in less than a decade), Nazi Germany(which went from bankrupt puppet state to the edge of world domination) or the Roman Empire(which lasted 500 years and contributed a great deal to western civilization) are good examples.
by Nocturnalis » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:48 pm
American Imperial Realm wrote:The Roman Empire did not fall to war, it fell to foreign migrants after thousands of years of existence as a civilization...
If you're trying to demonstrate the inefficacy of authoritarian governments...the Roman Empire(which lasted 500 years and contributed a great deal to western civilization) [is a] good examples.
by Ifreann » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:54 pm
Nocturnalis wrote:Ifreann wrote:I'll just leave this here.
Yes, yes, we can all sound smart when we butcher quotes and mangle their contexts to prove a point.American Imperial Realm wrote:The Roman Empire did not fall to war, it fell to foreign migrants after thousands of years of existence as a civilization...
If you're trying to demonstrate the inefficacy of authoritarian governments...the Roman Empire(which lasted 500 years and contributed a great deal to western civilization) [is a] good examples.
The Roman Empire as a civilization lasted for thousands of years, from its time as an insignificant city-state in central Italy and its preeminence among the Latin city-states, to the conquest of Constantinople by the barbarian Turks in 1453 (and/or Trebizond in 1461). In this context, "Empire" merely denotes a state that dominates over a culturally and ethnically diverse population through political and military force, which Rome became in the centuries following its foundation as a Republic in 509 BC.
The Roman Empire as a system of government lasted from 27 BC with the rise of Augustus to 395 AD with the permanent division of the Empire into two separate entities, with the Western half continuing on until 476 AD (which is more-or-less a continuous 500 years) and the Eastern half persisting until 1453/1461. Here, 'Empire' refers to a specific form of government ruled by an Emperor as sovereign - the Emperors under the Principate did not refer to themselves as such (Imperator being a military rank), but they certainly wielded all the powers of such a sovereign ruler,
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