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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:42 am

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This is America.

Eating fast food is pretty much a requirement.


He could at least get some GOOD fast food like Popeye's or something.


Man I haven't had Popeye's in a while now...

Damn you for bringing up good food.
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Postby Arethra » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:59 am

We shouldn't get rid of Congress, we should reform Congress. There are currently no term limits for Senators or Congressmen, and most of them don't even represent their constituents.

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Postby Soyouso » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:01 am

American Imperial Realm wrote:The U.S. Congress is a bastard organization full of corrupt fools owned by massive corporations. Too beholden to serve the people.

Congress has the lowest approval rating in history. 19%

Let's not get emotional about 200 year old pieces of paper and institutions long since evolved and changed.

It's time to get rid of Congress and empower the executive to fulfill the direct will of the People.

no more petty bureaucracy. It's time to empower the leader and reorganize.

Politics is too inefficient.

As a fascist I'd say yes. I dream my country will eventually realize how inefficient it's system is. We have to stop making politics a popularity contest and just get down to business. My people deserve better. But of course there's the consitution being against it, so it won't happen.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:01 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This is America.

Eating fast food is pretty much a requirement.


He could at least get some GOOD fast food like Popeye's or something.


Warren Buffett might be reading this post and laughing while he eats Burger King fast food.

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Postby Arlenton » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:03 am

No, this is a horrible idea.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:06 am

Arethra wrote:We shouldn't get rid of Congress, we should reform Congress. There are currently no term limits for Senators or Congressmen, and most of them don't even represent their constituents.

Not having term limits is a good thing.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:07 am

Soyouso wrote:
American Imperial Realm wrote:The U.S. Congress is a bastard organization full of corrupt fools owned by massive corporations. Too beholden to serve the people.

Congress has the lowest approval rating in history. 19%

Let's not get emotional about 200 year old pieces of paper and institutions long since evolved and changed.

It's time to get rid of Congress and empower the executive to fulfill the direct will of the People.

no more petty bureaucracy. It's time to empower the leader and reorganize.

Politics is too inefficient.

As a fascist I'd say yes. I dream my country will eventually realize how inefficient it's system is. We have to stop making politics a popularity contest and just get down to business. My people deserve better. But of course there's the consitution being against it, so it won't happen.


Libertarianism knows how to get things done tho, specially ancapists.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Arethra wrote:We shouldn't get rid of Congress, we should reform Congress. There are currently no term limits for Senators or Congressmen, and most of them don't even represent their constituents.

Not having term limits is a good thing.

Would you care to explain why you think so?

I'm willing to grant that it probably is, but this seems like it could actually be a meaningful and informative discussion to have. As opposed to, you know, "congress sucks, let's have dictatorship."
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Postby Soyouso » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:13 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Soyouso wrote:As a fascist I'd say yes. I dream my country will eventually realize how inefficient it's system is. We have to stop making politics a popularity contest and just get down to business. My people deserve better. But of course there's the consitution being against it, so it won't happen.


Libertarianism knows how to get things done tho, specially ancapists.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:24 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
He could at least get some GOOD fast food like Popeye's or something.


Warren Buffett might be reading this post and laughing while he eats Burger King fast food.

Billionaires like cheap food, confirmed


If I was a billionaire, I'd still eat Popeye's. Not all the time or anything, but sometimes you just want fast food.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:25 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
Warren Buffett might be reading this post and laughing while he eats Burger King fast food.

Billionaires like cheap food, confirmed


If I was a billionaire, I'd still eat Popeye's. Not all the time or anything, but sometimes you just want fast food.

Admittedly Popeye's is a glorious thing.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:32 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not having term limits is a good thing.

Would you care to explain why you think so?

Because it allows people to keep their representatives if that's what they want. And if their representative wants to keep standing for election. What good does it actually do anyone to only allow two terms(and for some reason it's always two terms)? If their constituents are happy enough to re-elect them, if they haven't broken the law in such a way as would disqualify them from office, why not let them be elected again? And if they aren't representing their constituents well, there's a well established mechanism for replacing them with someone else.
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Postby A Humanist Resurrection » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:37 am

USS Monitor wrote:He could at least get some GOOD fast food like Popeye's or something.


I'm probably really fortunate to live in a suitably urban area, but most of my fast fooding recently has been at small cafes owned and operated by some of America's very rapidly growing Chinese and Japanese immigrant population.

Many such cafes and small eateries are inexpensive and fast, relatively healthy (vegetables are a main dish :shock: ), and of course there's the opportunity to contribute to the further corruption of the glorious white race built right in.

Why give my money to a faceless fast-food corporation headquartered hundres of miles away, when I could give it to a hard-working local immigrant small business instead?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Would you care to explain why you think so?

Because it allows people to keep their representatives if that's what they want. And if their representative wants to keep standing for election. What good does it actually do anyone to only allow two terms(and for some reason it's always two terms)? If their constituents are happy enough to re-elect them, if they haven't broken the law in such a way as would disqualify them from office, why not let them be elected again? And if they aren't representing their constituents well, there's a well established mechanism for replacing them with someone else.

For the sake of argument though, a lot of people of attention to (especially) house appointments, they just check off next to the R or the D. In some districts a house appointment is essentially a lifetime appointment. So long as they don't get caught doing anything too obscene. Is that okay?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:42 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Because it allows people to keep their representatives if that's what they want. And if their representative wants to keep standing for election. What good does it actually do anyone to only allow two terms(and for some reason it's always two terms)? If their constituents are happy enough to re-elect them, if they haven't broken the law in such a way as would disqualify them from office, why not let them be elected again? And if they aren't representing their constituents well, there's a well established mechanism for replacing them with someone else.

For the sake of argument though, a lot of people of attention to (especially) house appointments, they just check off next to the R or the D. In some districts a house appointment is essentially a lifetime appointment. So long as they don't get caught doing anything too obscene. Is that okay?

If the voters want to elect literally anyone with the right party affiliation, that's their prerogative. I think that's stupid, but I don't see why it should disqualify someone from being elected more than twice.
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Postby A Humanist Resurrection » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:43 am

Ifreann wrote:Because it allows people to keep their representatives if that's what they want. And if their representative wants to keep standing for election. What good does it actually do anyone to only allow two terms(and for some reason it's always two terms)? If their constituents are happy enough to re-elect them, if they haven't broken the law in such a way as would disqualify them from office, why not let them be elected again? And if they aren't representing their constituents well, there's a well established mechanism for replacing them with someone else.


I'd add that my subjective impression is that term limits really only become a popular idea when some interest loses an important vote they thought they had in the bag. Thus, where the "people" refuse to cooperate, the will of the people obviously must be diluted a bit...

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Postby Crylante » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:51 am

Make Trump a dictator with absolute power? When only around a quarter of registered voters actually voted for him? I have to say, that's an awful idea.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:56 am

A Humanist Resurrection wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:He could at least get some GOOD fast food like Popeye's or something.


I'm probably really fortunate to live in a suitably urban area, but most of my fast fooding recently has been at small cafes owned and operated by some of America's very rapidly growing Chinese and Japanese immigrant population.

Many such cafes and small eateries are inexpensive and fast, relatively healthy (vegetables are a main dish :shock: ), and of course there's the opportunity to contribute to the further corruption of the glorious white race built right in.

Why give my money to a faceless fast-food corporation headquartered hundres of miles away, when I could give it to a hard-working local immigrant small business instead?


I like Asian food too, but Popeye's has really tasty food and not everything has to be an ethical decision about who you are supporting financially. Sometimes you just want fried chicken.
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Postby A Humanist Resurrection » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:58 am

USS Monitor wrote:
A Humanist Resurrection wrote:
I'm probably really fortunate to live in a suitably urban area, but most of my fast fooding recently has been at small cafes owned and operated by some of America's very rapidly growing Chinese and Japanese immigrant population.

Many such cafes and small eateries are inexpensive and fast, relatively healthy (vegetables are a main dish :shock: ), and of course there's the opportunity to contribute to the further corruption of the glorious white race built right in.

Why give my money to a faceless fast-food corporation headquartered hundres of miles away, when I could give it to a hard-working local immigrant small business instead?


I like Asian food too, but Popeye's has really tasty food and not everything has to be an ethical decision about who you are supporting financially. Sometimes you just want fried chicken.


Some times ya just wanna see if OP's apparent anti-corporatism will extend in certain directions, too.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:08 pm

A Humanist Resurrection wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
I like Asian food too, but Popeye's has really tasty food and not everything has to be an ethical decision about who you are supporting financially. Sometimes you just want fried chicken.


Some times ya just wanna see if OP's apparent anti-corporatism will extend in certain directions, too.


As long as you stop short of actually trolling, carry on.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:11 pm

Sounds authoritarian. No thanks.
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Postby Philjia » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:12 pm

The executive should be replaced with congress.
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Postby A Humanist Resurrection » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:19 pm

USS Monitor wrote:As long as you stop short of actually trolling, carry on.


Although I obviously changed it, I don't really think the original iteration of my last post even got close to trolling, but OK. Carrying on.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:20 pm

A Humanist Resurrection wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Because it allows people to keep their representatives if that's what they want. And if their representative wants to keep standing for election. What good does it actually do anyone to only allow two terms(and for some reason it's always two terms)? If their constituents are happy enough to re-elect them, if they haven't broken the law in such a way as would disqualify them from office, why not let them be elected again? And if they aren't representing their constituents well, there's a well established mechanism for replacing them with someone else.


I'd add that my subjective impression is that term limits really only become a popular idea when some interest loses an important vote they thought they had in the bag. Thus, where the "people" refuse to cooperate, the will of the people obviously must be diluted a bit...

I believe I joked during the '08 elections that Obama was clearly cheating and stealing votes by being a better candidate. One imagines there's something similar happening with people who think it's unfair that their political opponents can keep winning elections.
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You don't dissolve the senate until you've completed your Death Star.

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