Possible "Terrorist Incident" in Westminster, 4 killed

[Great Nepal]

Yes, unless you've formal qualifications and are employed in appropriate field and especially if you're a schoolkid - pull out your phone, start running in the opposite direction, call 999, don't stop running.

I mean. Stop eventually. We don't need kids lemminging off the cliffs of Dover.

And now I'm just imagining kids trying to swim across the channel to France after doing cliff jump...

Yes, unless you've formal qualifications and are employed in appropriate field and especially if you're a schoolkid - pull out your phone, start running in the opposite direction, call 999, don't stop running.

What if you're caught in a restaurant?

There isn't much to be taught about dealing with terrorist attack in confined situation - you're likely unable to do much anyways.

[Fartsniffage]

What if the pilot of your airliner has a heart attack? We gonna teach all kids to fly airliners?

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It's not like there's never been an attack in a restaurant.

How many? Compared to how many air disasters in the same period?

http://www.lifeinsurancequotes.org/addi ... tatistics/

How many of these things should we be teaching how to defend against in schools rather than educating students?

[Ifreann]

I mean. Stop eventually. We don't need kids lemminging off the cliffs of Dover.

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This was a guy trying to force his way into the seat of government, though. If someone killed 4 people trying to charge into Congress, you'd hear about it.

Oh, and he was a Muslim. Apparently that matters, like, a lot.

A lot of people what to be in seats of government. Jut because he's muslim doesn't mean he shouldn't be laughed at for thinking he could ever get that type of job.

Actually, i think the west taking such worry with islamic terrorism is what partially fuels islamic terrorists into thinkthing that acts actually matter worth a fuck, in the grand scheme of things.

You are not alone in that assessment.

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Yes, unless you've formal qualifications and are employed in appropriate field and especially if you're a schoolkid - pull out your phone, start running in the opposite direction, call 999, don't stop running.

What if you're caught in a restaurant?

Ask for the bill.

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I mean. Stop eventually. We don't need kids lemminging off the cliffs of Dover.

Think about that for a sec. If enough kids did it then we'd get a landbridge to Europe and then we'd get a lower strain on public services and we could end all this BREXIT nonsense.

Hmm. Maybe if obesity rates go up enough...

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It's not like there's never been an attack in a restaurant.

How many? Compared to how many air disasters in the same period?

http://www.lifeinsurancequotes.org/addi ... tatistics/

How many of these things should we be teaching how to defend against in schools rather than educating students?

Britain's youth definitely need counter-IKEA training.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

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It's not like there's never been an attack in a restaurant.

How many? Compared to how many air disasters in the same period?

http://www.lifeinsurancequotes.org/addi ... tatistics/

How many of these things should we be teaching how to defend against in schools rather than educating students?

>2010
What has happened since this?

And there's not much you can do about an air disaster regardless. Is flying a plane comparable to first aid in your mind?

I am also talking about Europe, not America. Though teaching first aid in America is still useful.

[Fartsniffage]

How many? Compared to how many air disasters in the same period?

http://www.lifeinsurancequotes.org/addi ... tatistics/

How many of these things should we be teaching how to defend against in schools rather than educating students?

>2010
What has happened since this?

And there's not much you can do about an air disaster regardless. Is flying a plane comparable to first aid in your mind?

We weren't talking about first aid. We were talking about counter-terrorism training for school children. And how do you know? If all the people on a flight were highly trained in aircraft engineering and pilots then perhaps many of them could be avoided.

[Ifreann]

How many? Compared to how many air disasters in the same period?

http://www.lifeinsurancequotes.org/addi ... tatistics/

How many of these things should we be teaching how to defend against in schools rather than educating students?

>2010
What has happened since this?

Probably nothing significant.

And there's not much you can do about an air disaster regardless. Is flying a plane comparable to first aid in your mind?

Bet you could teach it in 4 years.

[Salandriagado]

And when do you then loosen or remove that tourniquet? Because if you fuck that up and do it slightly too early, they die.

Then don't fucking remove the tourniquet.

Specifically: they will die when they wouldn't have done otherwise. When the tourniquet is released, the built-up blood drops out rapidly, leading to a rapid drop in blood pressure and death.

If you fuck it up and do it slightly too late, you permanently disable them.

Better than dying. Besides, a tourniquet can stay on for two hours; if emergency services don't come by then, then something's terribly wrong.

No idea where you got that from, but after 2 hours, you've got about an 80% chance of losing the limb.

And if a tourniquet isn't always appropriate, then that would be included in the lesson.

It's almost never appropriate, and telling when it is appropriate is extremely difficult.

In the Army we get to practice bondage by putting tourniquets on each other.

The rest is useful, especially in places where the tourniquet can't go. Tourniquets are only for the limbs and neck.

The fuck?

For reference, that's precisely as stupid as it sounds, and I'm assuming it's a joke.

...or, we could invest in emergency response so they can expand their rapid response team and reduce response time for emergencies if incident like this happens in more remote location

Why not both?

instead of having bunch of people who have half forgotten their lesson trying to administer first aid and messing up.

Okay, make it a daily class then.

All through adulthood? And how the fuck are you going to fit that in with the actual fucking curriculum? (Also, put another 0 on the end of my previous cost estimate).

So you're plan is to have schoolchildren rushing upto scene of significant attack before emergency services arrive (within 15 minute maximum) to 1. administer first aid to the person and 2. calm the person enough to administer the procedure and generally spend significant time around the area instead of running as far as they can in the other direction...? Yes I can not think of how this could ever go wrong.

Teenagers don't stay teenagers forever.

For at least the third time: if it has been more than a few months since the last time you did first aid training, you've forgotten essentially all of it.

They're also going to be getting counterterrorism training.

Knowing what to do in event of a terrorist attack is helpful.

The answer is "fuck off out of the way and leave it to the professionals".

Yes, unless you've formal qualifications and are employed in appropriate field and especially if you're a schoolkid - pull out your phone, start running in the opposite direction, call 999, don't stop running.

What if you're caught in a restaurant?

Exactly the same: run and/or hide. There is no circumstance where the answer is going to be any different for anybody other than a trained professional.

[Great Nepal]

On slightly different but related note; daily mail in an example of prime investigative journalism found scandalous online terrorist manuals hosted on google and youtube on... how to use cars to run over people.
(do note this is from twitter feed so take that as you will)

[Ifreann]

On slightly different but related note; daily mail in an example of prime investigative journalism found scandalous online terrorist manuals hosted on google and youtube on... how to use cars to run over people.
(do note this is from twitter feed so take that as you will)

Were these manuals called "Grand Theft Auto" perhaps?

[Gauthier]

This guy gets it...

Bullshit. This attack has everything to do with Islam and its culture.

Heh.

Today I Learned that chronic criminals who radicalize for absolution and affirmation are pious Muslims who prove that Islam needs to be kept out like a zombie virus.

[Calladan]

On slightly different but related note; daily mail in an example of prime investigative journalism found scandalous online terrorist manuals hosted on google and youtube on... how to use cars to run over people.
(do note this is from twitter feed so take that as you will)

Were these manuals called "Grand Theft Auto" perhaps?

(grin) You'd think after this it would be impossible, but this is the Daily Mail we are talking about so I wouldn't put it past them.

[Senkaku]

Notice how that's relating to support for ISIS, not support for Sharia.
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"Sharia" isn't one thing. If you ask Christians if they believe in living life according to God's wishes, most will probably tell you yes. If you ask them if they support various aspects of Biblical law and Church rules, you're going to get more varied answers. This whole dumb thing the far right has about "sharia" is a ridiculous twisting of the word and demonstrates a generally weird and warped perspective not just on Islam but on one's fellow human beings.

[Senkaku]

This guy gets it...

Bullshit. This attack has everything to do with Islam and its culture.

He's not even talking about #NotAllMuslims or whatever you're getting triggered by. The issue is that the way the media uses terrorism to get publicity and hypes it up only serves the ultimate goal of terrorists- namely, to scare people until they're as frightened as you are and willing to view Islam and Muslims as an other that must be destroyed, which then feeds into their bloodlust and desire for conflict with the West.


The media and politicians both seem to love to feed off of terrorist attacks to generate and use public fear- not founded in any actual threat- for their own gain. As I said earlier, Europe is not about to be overrun and transformed into the Al-Firanji Caliphate or whatever. All of us are doubtless aware of your actual odds of getting killed in a terrorist attack. As the guy in the video says, we shouldn't ignore terrorist attacks like this, but hyping them up just perpetuates a cycle of meaningless fear that doesn't help the public in any meaningful way.

[Imperializt Russia]

And when do you then loosen or remove that tourniquet? Because if you fuck that up and do it slightly too early, they die.

Then don't fucking remove the tourniquet.

If you fuck it up and do it slightly too late, you permanently disable them.

Better than dying. Besides, a tourniquet can stay on for two hours; if emergency services don't come by then, then something's terribly wrong.

And if a tourniquet isn't always appropriate, then that would be included in the lesson.

Well done, you've accidentally hit upon why this is something a trained professional should be doing, and no-one else.

If a person loses a limb solely because of the technically negligent manner in which a member of the general public incorrectly applied medical equipment, and not because of the injuries that required this treatment, that's a not good thing.

[Imperializt Russia]

...or, we could invest in emergency response so they can expand their rapid response team and reduce response time for emergencies if incident like this happens in more remote location

Why not both?

instead of having bunch of people who have half forgotten their lesson trying to administer first aid and messing up.

Okay, make it a daily class then.

Y'know, there's this new thing called a curriculum that they're supposed to be learning at school.

Even if it is daily, they're not going to be receiving this instruction when they finish school, and even the diligent pupils will quickly forget a lot of the finer points because they won't ever apply it and won't take refresher courses.

[Greed and Death]

Glad none of the NSGs got caught up in this. I was visiting Edinburgh when the attacks occurred so glad I got my London fix done the days before.

[Dooom35796821595]

Glad none of the NSGs got caught up in this. I was visiting Edinburgh when the attacks occurred so glad I got my London fix done the days before.

There are 8 million people in London, only 4 died in the attack, one or two from knife wounds. 2,000-2,500 people in the UK die from car collisions every year, that's an average of about 6 people a day. The reality is that these terror attacks are grossly overstated, the most damage is the fear and divisions they create in society.

[Jamzmania]

Glad none of the NSGs got caught up in this. I was visiting Edinburgh when the attacks occurred so glad I got my London fix done the days before.

There are 8 million people in London, only 4 died in the attack, one or two from knife wounds. 2,000-2,500 people in the UK die from car collisions every year, that's an average of about 6 people a day. The reality is that these terror attacks are grossly overstated, the most damage is the fear and divisions they create in society.

People going out to deliberately kill as many other people as they can is not something that should simply be dismissed like an accident.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Glad none of the NSGs got caught up in this. I was visiting Edinburgh when the attacks occurred so glad I got my London fix done the days before.

There are 8 million people in London, only 4 died in the attack, one or two from knife wounds. 2,000-2,500 people in the UK die from car collisions every year, that's an average of about 6 people a day. The reality is that these terror attacks are grossly overstated, the most damage is the fear and divisions they create in society.

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be concerned about a group of people who are ideological opposed to our entire society and out to kill people??

[Dooom35796821595]

There are 8 million people in London, only 4 died in the attack, one or two from knife wounds. 2,000-2,500 people in the UK die from car collisions every year, that's an average of about 6 people a day. The reality is that these terror attacks are grossly overstated, the most damage is the fear and divisions they create in society.

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be concerned about a group of people who are ideological opposed to our entire society and out to kill people??

The security services and police have managed rather well up to now, and I'm sure they'll manage to adapt to the new threats. We should be concerned, just not let it affect how we live our lives.

[Jamzmania]

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be concerned about a group of people who are ideological opposed to our entire society and out to kill people??

The security services and police have managed rather well up to now, and I'm sure they'll manage to adapt to the new threats. We should be concerned, just not let it affect how we live our lives.

Certainly not.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be concerned about a group of people who are ideological opposed to our entire society and out to kill people??

The security services and police have managed rather well up to now, and I'm sure they'll manage to adapt to the new threats. We should be concerned, just not let it affect how we live our lives.

Random shootings and bombings don't already affect our lives?

[Aelex]

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be concerned about a group of people who are ideological opposed to our entire society and out to kill people??

I mean, it's part of living in a big city after all.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So what you're saying is we shouldn't be concerned about a group of people who are ideological opposed to our entire society and out to kill people??

I mean, it's part of living in a big city after all.

Not to mention that it's part of the larger issue of Islamic immigration and radicalization in Europe.

[Dooom35796821595]

The security services and police have managed rather well up to now, and I'm sure they'll manage to adapt to the new threats. We should be concerned, just not let it affect how we live our lives.

Random shootings and bombings don't already affect our lives?

Not past media reporting. Not in the UK.