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Possible "Terrorist Incident" in Westminster, 4 killed

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:14 pm

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Senkaku wrote:Is occasionally blowing some people up kinda scary? Yeah. But it's a hell of a lot different from "OH MY GOD THEY'VE TAKEN OVER THE CONTINENT IT'S SHARIA LAW!!!!11", which is what Ethel was squealing about.


Paris, Brussels and some other incidents in Western Europe seem to indicate that theres a bit of a problem with your security.

im fucking amazed that a bombing in Warsaw or Bosnia hasnt happened yet.

Bombings don't happen in Warsaw because they're run by a Nationalist.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:15 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Paris, Brussels and some other incidents in Western Europe seem to indicate that theres a bit of a problem with your security.

im fucking amazed that a bombing in Warsaw or Bosnia hasnt happened yet.

Bombings don't happen in Warsaw because they're run by a Nationalist.

That makes no sense. Bombings don't happen in Warsaw (yet), because Eastern Europe is not seen as part of the western world, nor a major player in the war on terrorism (despite participating such). Unlike, of course, the major western European countries.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:18 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:

>1993
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Postby Theodosios » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:20 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:

>1933

1993.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:22 pm

Theodosios wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>1933

1993.

shit

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Postby Federated Kingdom » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:24 pm

BBC News live updates wrote:75-year-old man dies after Westminster attack

    A 75-year-old man has died this evening following the Westminster attack, police say.

    The man had been receiving medical treatment in hospital but life support has been withdrawn.

    His next of kin have been informed and are receiving support from specially trained family liaison officers, Scotland Yard said.


Fuck.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:24 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:

>1993


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I really remember the reactions to this one. I was in the city centre when it went off.

I don't hate the Irish, never have.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:25 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:

>1993

Yes?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:26 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:

I'm guessing the point you're trying to make here is that even though the shooter was Muslim, the fact that he committed a terrorist attack had nothing to do with his religion.

The shooter was a police officer. The terrorist ran people over with a car and then stabbed a (different) police officer. He didn't shoot anyone.


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And look where it got you. Overrun by the Irish.


Theodosios wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>1933

1993.

Clearly Pantuxia was referring to the IRA's 1939 "S-Plan" campaign of bombings and sabotage.

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Ifreann wrote:And look where it got you. Overrun by the Irish.


Someone has to badly tarmac our driveways....

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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:27 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>1993


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I really remember the reactions to this one. I was in the city centre when it went off.

I don't hate the Irish, never have.

Looking at the casualties for those bombings, I can only conclude that the IRA were remarkably good at maiming people and remarkably shit at killing them. Lots wounded in both cases, one dead in total.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:28 pm

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
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I really remember the reactions to this one. I was in the city centre when it went off.

I don't hate the Irish, never have.

Looking at the casualties for those bombings, I can only conclude that the IRA were remarkably good at maiming people and remarkably shit at killing them. Lots wounded in both cases, one dead in total.


They tended to phone in warnings on the mainland. The Manchester one was 2 tonnes of explosives in a truck, if they'd wanted to kill then they would have got hundreds with where it was parked.

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Postby Hydesland » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:28 pm

Thing about the IRA though is that most of the time they at least had the decency to warn by telephone and wait for an evacuation first.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:30 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And look where it got you. Overrun by the Irish.


Someone has to badly tarmac our driveways....

And the Poles are busy badly plumbing your houses.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:31 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>1993


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I really remember the reactions to this one. I was in the city centre when it went off.

I don't hate the Irish, never have.


London, 1996

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Birmingham, 1974
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:


I really remember the reactions to this one. I was in the city centre when it went off.

I don't hate the Irish, never have.


London, 1996

Brighton, 1984

Birmingham, 1974

Do you have any that have been within the last 10 years?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:34 pm

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Do you have any that have been within the last 10 years?

Probably not, since the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998, and the IRA (or one of its many large splinters) formally ceased hostilities in the early 2000s.

Dissident Republicans have been responsible for a handful of bombings and shootings since then, nothing widely organised and without public support.

In 1991 the IRA launched a mortar attack on Downing Street, that happened.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:35 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:

Do you have any that have been within the last 10 years?


You mean from after the peace process? No, there was peace....

What an odd question.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:35 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:Do you have any that have been within the last 10 years?

Probably not, since the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998, and the IRA (or one of its many large splinters) formally ceased hostilities in the early 2000s.

Dissident Republicans have been responsible for a handful of bombings and shootings since then, nothing widely organised and without public support.

No, I meant right-wing terror attacks.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:36 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Probably not, since the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998, and the IRA (or one of its many large splinters) formally ceased hostilities in the early 2000s.

Dissident Republicans have been responsible for a handful of bombings and shootings since then, nothing widely organised and without public support.

No, I meant right-wing terror attacks.

"Exactly" what, exactly?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:36 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:

Do you have any that have been within the last 10 years?


I can't help noticing you've kind of missed the point. Was the reaction to any of these attacks to demand the expulsion of all Irish citizens from the UK?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:37 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Probably not, since the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998, and the IRA (or one of its many large splinters) formally ceased hostilities in the early 2000s.

Dissident Republicans have been responsible for a handful of bombings and shootings since then, nothing widely organised and without public support.

No, I meant right-wing terror attacks.


The IRA were Marxist...

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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:37 pm

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How else are you going to stop Islamic radicalisation? By claiming that every verse of the Quran is correct and indisputable? Good luck with that.

Islam needs reforming but it will never happen as every reformer is ostracised.

Mate, are you even reading the posts you are quoting? You said "Yeah, but that would involve acknowledging flaws with Islam". I am asking you what you are referring to by "that".


The Empire of Pretantia wrote:US soldier here, wouldn't do that.

*shrug* Obviously I don't know you personally, but that's how people in general tend to act and it's a fair bet that you're a person. It's probably less the case with soldiers, obviously, but I dare say that some soldiers do freeze up under fire, or freak out and try to run away. Maybe you would. Maybe not. I certainly don't know if you would or not. Maybe you don't really know either. My point isn't about you specifically, though, just people in general.

We all like to think of ourselves that we'd be the hero. That we'd run into the burning building, that we'd snatch the toddler out of the path of the speeding train, that we'd dropkick the terrorist. But chances are we wouldn't. Most people don't. I mean, that's self-evident. If everyone did it we'd stop thinking it was a big deal.
I said lessons, not half-lessons.

Unless you expect the lessons to be done in an afternoon then there will be half-trained children with a false belief that the know how to save lives. And I would hardly call an afternoon of lifesaving class "fully trained". Additionally, you cannot expect adults to fully retain first aid training that they received five, ten, twenty years prior.

Maybe you think it should be the case that if something like this happens again all of London should descend upon the scene and start administering first aid, and anyone doing otherwise gets shunned as a coward, but that's just not realistic.
And a half-trained child is better than an untrained child.

No children running towards a terrorist attack is better than any children doing so, trained or not. Let us not forget the terrorist tactic of setting two bombs, the second meant to kill the people responding to the first.


For what it's worth: unless you're doing multi-day courses at least 3-4 times a year, there are more days on which you've forgotten essentially everything from your first aid courses than there are days when you remember them.
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Postby The Klishi Islands » Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:39 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:No, I meant right-wing terror attacks.


The IRA were Marxist...

Shhh. Commies were red. Republicans in America are red. Republicans are right-wing. Irish Republican Army. Coincidence?

I think not.
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