Possible "Terrorist Incident" in Westminster, 4 killed

[The Klishi Islands]

The basics to lifesaving and surviving a terrorist attack in a continent which experiences terrorism yearly is comparable to an unethical program that altered the physiology of children to produce super-soldiers? What?

We didn't start handing out Lee-Enfields and No.40 grenades to the ex-military MPs as they had to weather an all-out tank assault from the 6th Londonistani Brigade of the Most Glorious Vanguard of the Caliphate upon the Commons Chamber.

But we should have.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The basics to lifesaving and surviving a terrorist attack in a continent which experiences terrorism yearly is comparable to an unethical program that altered the physiology of children to produce super-soldiers? What?

We didn't start handing out Lee-Enfields and No.40 grenades to the ex-military MPs as they had to weather an all-out tank assault from the 6th Londonistani Brigade of the Most Glorious Vanguard of the Caliphate upon the Commons Chamber. A guy hired a car, ran down some pedestrians in the street, and stabbed a police officer - presumably trying to force entry to the houses of parliament.

I've been waiting since it happened, really, to see how much people were overreacting to this instance of "terrorism".
I'm putting it in scare quotes not because I believe it somehow wasn't a "terrorist incident" by the strict definition of "attack to strike terror for possible political motives", but on the basis that it's a very minor terrorist incident. In terms of broad scope (not bodycount obviously), this isn't far removed from the killing of Jo Cox last year which has largely slipped from the public consciousness and has already become a political point that the far-right love to throw out, for some reason.

He rented a car. Can't do shit about that. He bought a knife. Can't do shit about that. He "breached" the perimeter in the sense that he crossed the threshold, but I'm pretty sure there is an open, if guarded, footgate at that entrance, attacked the first line of defence at that entrance and was killed.
A, it's a lone wolf with shitty planning abilities and clearly limited contacts - no means to create explosives, deliver a vehicle bomb or secure a firearm or even a single accomplice (so far as we know) and B, in the grand scheme of things, his attack achieved very little. London is of course rightly in mourning for the loss of one of its officers, one of its citizens and one of its tourists in the wake of what is, for once, an actual "assault on our democracy" in the most literal sense.

So what you're saying is we didn't need to worry about a second bomb in this case? Guess there don't need to be terrorism classes, but my point stands on first aid.

[Imperializt Russia]

We didn't start handing out Lee-Enfields and No.40 grenades to the ex-military MPs as they had to weather an all-out tank assault from the 6th Londonistani Brigade of the Most Glorious Vanguard of the Caliphate upon the Commons Chamber. A guy hired a car, ran down some pedestrians in the street, and stabbed a police officer - presumably trying to force entry to the houses of parliament.

I've been waiting since it happened, really, to see how much people were overreacting to this instance of "terrorism".
I'm putting it in scare quotes not because I believe it somehow wasn't a "terrorist incident" by the strict definition of "attack to strike terror for possible political motives", but on the basis that it's a very minor terrorist incident. In terms of broad scope (not bodycount obviously), this isn't far removed from the killing of Jo Cox last year which has largely slipped from the public consciousness and has already become a political point that the far-right love to throw out, for some reason.

He rented a car. Can't do shit about that. He bought a knife. Can't do shit about that. He "breached" the perimeter in the sense that he crossed the threshold, but I'm pretty sure there is an open, if guarded, footgate at that entrance, attacked the first line of defence at that entrance and was killed.
A, it's a lone wolf with shitty planning abilities and clearly limited contacts - no means to create explosives, deliver a vehicle bomb or secure a firearm or even a single accomplice (so far as we know) and B, in the grand scheme of things, his attack achieved very little. London is of course rightly in mourning for the loss of one of its officers, one of its citizens and one of its tourists in the wake of what is, for once, an actual "assault on our democracy" in the most literal sense.

So what you're saying is we didn't need to worry about a second bomb in this case? Guess there don't need to be terrorism classes, but my point stands on first aid.

What second bomb? I'm not aware of a "first bomb".

And I don't know how you've made that leap.

[The Klishi Islands]

We didn't start handing out Lee-Enfields and No.40 grenades to the ex-military MPs as they had to weather an all-out tank assault from the 6th Londonistani Brigade of the Most Glorious Vanguard of the Caliphate upon the Commons Chamber. A guy hired a car, ran down some pedestrians in the street, and stabbed a police officer - presumably trying to force entry to the houses of parliament.

I've been waiting since it happened, really, to see how much people were overreacting to this instance of "terrorism".
I'm putting it in scare quotes not because I believe it somehow wasn't a "terrorist incident" by the strict definition of "attack to strike terror for possible political motives", but on the basis that it's a very minor terrorist incident. In terms of broad scope (not bodycount obviously), this isn't far removed from the killing of Jo Cox last year which has largely slipped from the public consciousness and has already become a political point that the far-right love to throw out, for some reason.

He rented a car. Can't do shit about that. He bought a knife. Can't do shit about that. He "breached" the perimeter in the sense that he crossed the threshold, but I'm pretty sure there is an open, if guarded, footgate at that entrance, attacked the first line of defence at that entrance and was killed.
A, it's a lone wolf with shitty planning abilities and clearly limited contacts - no means to create explosives, deliver a vehicle bomb or secure a firearm or even a single accomplice (so far as we know) and B, in the grand scheme of things, his attack achieved very little. London is of course rightly in mourning for the loss of one of its officers, one of its citizens and one of its tourists in the wake of what is, for once, an actual "assault on our democracy" in the most literal sense.

So what you're saying is we didn't need to worry about a second bomb in this case? Guess there don't need to be terrorism classes, but my point stands on first aid.

Your point does not stand on first aid. What possible benefit could that have brought in this particular case? Can you point to any lives that would have been saved?

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

as an American, i stand with our British allies across the sea. An attack on the UK is an attack on the U.S.

but it is also an attack on western civilization and our common values. I hope that we can work together to help fight the terrorist threat. It would be in the best interest of the U.K. to control their immigration.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So what you're saying is we didn't need to worry about a second bomb in this case? Guess there don't need to be terrorism classes, but my point stands on first aid.

Your point does not stand on first aid. What possible benefit could that have brought in this particular case? Can you point to any lives that would have been saved?

Why are you people so fixed on not teaching first aid in schools?

[Fartsniffage]

So what you're saying is we didn't need to worry about a second bomb in this case? Guess there don't need to be terrorism classes, but my point stands on first aid.

What second bomb? I'm not aware of a "first bomb".

And I don't know how you've made that leap.

Iffy mentioned the old IRA trick of placing two bombs to get the rescuers.

[Napkiraly]

No for poor people and the unemployed.

I mean... okay? My immediate thought here is that the surge in teenagers half-qualified to do basic first aid, and minimal subsequent benefits, would be drowned out by the widespread health issues caused by, say, cutting public housing. Or the loss of social benefits caused by

I didn't say I supported such measures. I was merely giving the answers you will get from some fiscal conservatives on how to fund the initiatives proposed earlier.

[Vassenor]

as an American, i stand with our British allies across the sea. An attack on the UK is an attack on the U.S.

but it is also an attack on western civilization and our common values. I hope that we can work together to help fight the terrorist threat. It would be in the best interest of the U.K. to control their immigration.

Dude was born and raised in the UK. Immigration controls wouldn't do squat.

[Fartsniffage]

as an American, i stand with our British allies across the sea. An attack on the UK is an attack on the U.S.

but it is also an attack on western civilization and our common values. I hope that we can work together to help fight the terrorist threat. It would be in the best interest of the U.K. to control their immigration.

That would have worked really well in this case....

[The Empire of Pretantia]

What second bomb? I'm not aware of a "first bomb".

And I don't know how you've made that leap.

Iffy mentioned the old IRA trick of placing two bombs to get the rescuers.

So did Imperializt Russia.

[The Klishi Islands]

I mean... okay? My immediate thought here is that the surge in teenagers half-qualified to do basic first aid, and minimal subsequent benefits, would be drowned out by the widespread health issues caused by, say, cutting public housing. Or the loss of social benefits caused by

I didn't say I supported such measures. I was merely giving the answers you will get from some fiscal conservatives on how to fund the initiatives proposed earlier.

Oh, I thought you were advocating for it. My apologies.

[The Klishi Islands]

as an American, i stand with our British allies across the sea. An attack on the UK is an attack on the U.S.

but it is also an attack on western civilization and our common values. I hope that we can work together to help fight the terrorist threat. It would be in the best interest of the U.K. to control their immigration.

Control their immigration? Dude was born in the far-off land of Kent.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

as an American, i stand with our British allies across the sea. An attack on the UK is an attack on the U.S.

but it is also an attack on western civilization and our common values. I hope that we can work together to help fight the terrorist threat. It would be in the best interest of the U.K. to control their immigration.

Dude was born and raised in the UK. Immigration controls wouldn't do squat.

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.

as an American, i stand with our British allies across the sea. An attack on the UK is an attack on the U.S.

but it is also an attack on western civilization and our common values. I hope that we can work together to help fight the terrorist threat. It would be in the best interest of the U.K. to control their immigration.

Control their immigration? Dude was born in the far-off land of Kent.

That may be so, but he was not English.

[Geilinor]

Dude was born and raised in the UK. Immigration controls wouldn't do squat.

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.

Control their immigration? Dude was born in the far-off land of Kent.

That may be so, but he was not English.

He was English. Tell me this - is the Mayor of London not English and British?

[Fartsniffage]

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.

They've been around for centuries. Have you never seen the documentary Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves?

[Vassenor]

Dude was born and raised in the UK. Immigration controls wouldn't do squat.

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.

Oh hey that logic again. Someone change the damn record. I mean it's not like there's been recorded contact between the Islamic world and the British Isles dating back to the 8th Century or anything, or records of conversions taking place in the 16th.

[The Klishi Islands]

Dude was born and raised in the UK. Immigration controls wouldn't do squat.

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.

Control their immigration? Dude was born in the far-off land of Kent.

That may be so, but he was not English.

He was English, given that he was born in the UK.

And you're honestly suggesting that we should ban either Middle Easterners, South Asians, or Muslims because of what their grandchildren might do? That's absurd.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.




That may be so, but he was not English.

He was English. Tell me this - is the Mayor of London not English and British?

Not as far as i can tell.

He looks to be of Indian or middle eastern origin. Not ethnically English.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.




That may be so, but he was not English.

He was English, given that he was born in the UK.

And you're honestly suggesting that we should ban either Middle Easterners, South Asians, or Muslims because of what their grandchildren might do? That's absurd.

We did it in America for about 200 years. Worked pretty well while it lasted.

[The Klishi Islands]

He was English. Tell me this - is the Mayor of London not English and British?

Not as far as i can tell.

He looks to be of Indian or middle eastern origin. Not ethnically English.

So we should ban anyone not ethnically English from migrating to the UK?
Sorry, Ireland.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

Not as far as i can tell.

He looks to be of Indian or middle eastern origin. Not ethnically English.

So we should ban anyone not ethnically English from migrating to the UK?
Sorry, Ireland.

Ethnically and culturally European, actually.

[Great Nepal]

as an American, i stand with our British allies across the sea. An attack on the UK is an attack on the U.S.

but it is also an attack on western civilization and our common values. I hope that we can work together to help fight the terrorist threat. It would be in the best interest of the U.K. to control their immigration.

Control their immigration? Dude was born in the far-off land of Kent.

We could build a wall around Kent?

Dude was born and raised in the UK. Immigration controls wouldn't do squat.

I don't recall there being historical populations of muslims in the U.K. before the 20th century. Certainly, controls on immigration origin would have prevented his parents, grandparents or whomever from immigrating in the first place.

Yeah no.

That may be so, but he was not English.

Do define the criteria for someone being English.

[Fartsniffage]

So we should ban anyone not ethnically English from migrating to the UK?
Sorry, Ireland.

Ethnically and culturally European, actually.

You want us to let in Papists? *gets the vapours*

[Vassenor]

So we should ban anyone not ethnically English from migrating to the UK?
Sorry, Ireland.

Ethnically and culturally European, actually.

You do realise there is no overarching "European" ethnicity or culture, right?

Spanish culture retains a lot of Islamic influence, for one.