Prison Guards Kill Prisoner With Shower

[MERIZoC]

Wow. Just wow. This is why I advocate for US military style screening for all those wishing to into the police and corrections.

Because....soldiers are never violent?

[Liriena]

Well, not that I'd see anything wrong even with a deliberate killing of a convicted criminal

I hope you never get convicted of a petty offense, like a DIU, 'cause then you're going to be in one heck of a dilemma, if you are sincere about your beliefs.

[Gauthier]

Wow. Just wow. This is why I advocate for US military style screening for all those wishing to into the police and corrections.

Because....soldiers are never violent?

Violent soldiers on prisoners are usually called "war crimes".

[Gauthier]

Well, not that I'd see anything wrong even with a deliberate killing of a convicted criminal

I hope you never get convicted of a petty offense, like a DIU, 'cause then you're going to be in one heck of a dilemma, if you are sincere about your beliefs.

He's probably not black so he'll be fine. *nod nod*

[Crockerland]

I hope you never get convicted of a petty offense, like a DIU, 'cause then you're going to be in one heck of a dilemma, if you are sincere about your beliefs.

He's probably not black so he'll be fine. *nod nod*

I wanna be the very best,
like no one ever was...
To race bait is my real test,
"Fuck white people" is my cause.

[Sarigen]

Obvious neglect/manslaughter.

Prison guards should be held to a standard of care comparable to that of nurses, because they're caring for prisoners and are responsible for their lives. It's inconceivable that they are constantly able to do and get away with things like this. They are literally responsible for the care of some of the most dangerous, yet vulnerable people, who it is in the best interest of society to see rehabilitated if possible - which in itself is not always an easy process!!!

Prison guards should be highly educated, regulated, observed, and held to a strict standard of rules and regulations that they must follow, and it must all be standardized, for a consistent level of care. If they fail to meet it, the guards should be punished, lose their license to be a prison guard, and be liable to law suits. They should be required to carry private insurance in the event of a law suit, so they are encouraged to provide the best level of care and to present proper documentation to avoid lawsuits. And yes, it should be the norm to sue individual police officers, in addition to police departments and cities.

If it's obvious to anyone at this point, I was involved in nursing for awhile, and in my part of the world, nurses are held to the strictest of standards. This makes sense, literally being responsible for people's lives! However, other professions that have a similar responsibility (hi police), aren't held to the same standards! This is not only a double standard, but it's very irresponsible and negligent, and results in more deaths as a whole. In the United States, I'm aware that some police forces hire anyone who is 19 with a valid driver's license if they seem qualified? Really? It's no wonder that they always have all sorts of problems with their police.

[Liriena]

He's probably not black so he'll be fine. *nod nod*

I wanna be the very best,
like no one ever was...
To race bait is my real test,
"Fuck white people" is my cause.

A few things:
1. Stupid image is stupid and pointless.
2. What do you mean by "regressive"? I'm genuinely curious. How are any of the alleged ideas of this alleged agenda enumerated in your stupid image "regressive"? What do they aim to "regress" to? What previous status quo would that alleged agenda's success "regress" to?
3. Honestly, if you're going to complain about "race baiting", you probably don't want to incur in some baiting of your own by implicitly making baseless claims about other people's beliefs based on a grossly generalistic and blatantly biased random image.
4. In conclusion: stupid image is stupid and pointless.

[Thermodolia]

Wow. Just wow. This is why I advocate for US military style screening for all those wishing to into the police and corrections.

Because....soldiers are never violent?

Not saying that they aren't but there is usually little to no screening for the vast majority of police and corrections in the US. In the military it is damn near impossible to get in if you have any sort of mental issue.

[Saiwania]

Not saying that they aren't but there is usually little to no screening for the vast majority of police and corrections in the US. In the military it is damn near impossible to get in if you have any sort of mental issue.

Well, it isn't like there are absolutely no barriers to entry to get involved within the field of law enforcement. Many police departments require a Bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice or some other pain in the neck prerequisite. Many security guard jobs, require a security license of some sort which is complicated to obtain.

Regulations often just cause more problems than they solve, in that it increases unemployment and makes it harder for smaller businesses just starting out to survive. Less skilled labor has a harder time of it because of barriers to entry. It can be necessary to a certain extent, a Dentist has to know what they're doing for example.

Whichever industries or fields of work you require more education or licensing for, the more you'll have to pay people within those professions, and in the case of the public sector, it can only be funded by tax increases, but the tax base does not as a general rule; have unlimited money to give to pay for every single thing a local government might want.

People are not going to take on these roles, if they can't recoup the costs of getting fully educated or licensed to a certain career field's satisfaction.

[Neutraligon]

I know Huff post is not the most trustworthy of sources, but apparently there are those disputing the claim of the report I linked earlier
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dar ... 92bea82e1b?

[Gim]

Wow. Just wow. This is why I advocate for US military style screening for all those wishing to into the police and corrections.

Because....soldiers are never violent?

What?

[Industrialaska]

Here is an idea. Instead of making nonviolent offenders sit around in prisons, eating food, wearing uniforms, being supervised, watching TV on our tax dollars while our roads crumble, public buildings collapse, road medians are overgrown, we could instead offer the option of: "You get six years in prison or one year spreading asphalt on probation, and then maybe you'll actually get a job if a paving company needs more workers."

Just my idea of prison reform.

[Gim]

Here is an idea. Instead of making nonviolent offenders sit around in prisons, eating food, wearing uniforms, being supervised, watching TV on our tax dollars while our roads crumble, public buildings collapse, road medians are overgrown, we could instead offer the option of: "You get six years in prison or one year spreading asphalt on probation, and then maybe you'll actually get a job if a paving company needs more workers."

Just my idea of prison reform.

That will cost millions.

[Industrialaska]

Obvious neglect/manslaughter.

Prison guards should be held to a standard of care comparable to that of nurses

Yeah, because I don't pay enough in tax already.

I'd be fine with that if we actually GOT something from prisoners, like nice roads, mowed public lands, good ditches and drainage, etc. And I'm sure that if you made inmates contribute to society, especially nonviolent offenders, you wouldn't have to keep them on the government's dollar for years and years. Sometimes people learn lessons when you bring them from an air conditioned prison with cable TV to a ditch in the middle of the country with a shovel.

[Industrialaska]

Here is an idea. Instead of making nonviolent offenders sit around in prisons, eating food, wearing uniforms, being supervised, watching TV on our tax dollars while our roads crumble, public buildings collapse, road medians are overgrown, we could instead offer the option of: "You get six years in prison or one year spreading asphalt on probation, and then maybe you'll actually get a job if a paving company needs more workers."

Just my idea of prison reform.

That will cost millions.

$31,286 is the average cost per inmate per year. In the long run it would cost less. Plus, we wouldn't just be imprisoning people in a different way, we would get something out of it too.

[Lady Scylla]

Yes, it really happened: https://www.yahoo.com/news/prison-guard ... 04831.html

Four prison guards who are alleged to have killed a schizophrenic inmate by effectively boiling him to death have escaped charges. Darren Rainey was forcefully held in a scalding hot shower for hours after he smeared faeces on himself at the Dale Correctional Institution in Miami, Florida, in 2012. Rainey, 50, had refused to stand under the shower but was told by Officer Roland Clarke that he could not leave until he washed. After starting to wash, Rainey said, “No, I don’t want to do this,” and leaned on a wall away from the water, according to Officer Clarke.

Officers continued to check on him, and the decision was made to take Rainey out of the shower after around two hours but he was found lying face up in about 8 centimetres of water with no pulse and not breathing. Another inmate, Harold Hempstead, alleged that he had heard Rainey yelling and kicking at the shower door, saying, ”I’m sorry. I won’t do it anymore” and “I can’t take it no more” while the guards laughed. Several witnesses said Rainey’s skin appeared to be peeled back or reddish in some spots and looked like a “boiled lobster”. However, an autopsy found this “slippage” was most likely caused by friction or pressure on his moist and warm skin that was applied in an effort to revive him.

Prosecutors have now concluded Hempstead was an unreliable witness and concluded Rainey had died partly because of undiagnosed heart disease and suffered no scalding injuries. Dr Emma Lew, Miami-Dade’s medical examiner, said Rainey did not suffer any burns of any kind and there was no evidence of trauma. She said his death was down to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space. Dr Lew said that schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition. Prosecutors said that the guards did not commit murder or manslaughter, writing in a memo: ”Placing an inmate who has defecated upon himself in a shower to decontaminate himself is not conduct that is criminally reckless.

“There was no evidence of any intent to harm Rainey.” The conclusion ends a nearly five-year probe into the death Rainey, who was serving a two-year sentence on a cocaine charge. Milton Grimes, the layer for Rainey’s family, said in a statement that the family is “disappointed and heartbroken” that no charges will be brought. He added: ”This is not justice for Darren, for his family, nor for the mentally ill who have been subject to similar abuse and mistreatment,” Mr Grimes said. The prosecutors determined that corrections officers did not commit murder or manslaughter in Rainey’s death and that taking him to the shower was appropriate under the circumstances.

Long story short: someone serving a two year cocaine sentence shit his pants. He was schizophrenic. The prison guards likely knew of his condition, and yet made him stand in the shower, debatable whether the shower was hot or not, for 2 hours. He died of an undiagnosed heart condition, and because his schizophrenia triggered by being left in a tiny sport, with water dropping all over him, as he's screaming, caused a complication.

So, are the prison guards guilty or not? What say ye, NSG?

I think that this is yet another reason for reforming the prison system, especially when it comes to minor offenses.

Doesn't look like a fault of the officers. Perfect storm sadly. But I will wait for further information.

[Novus America]

That will cost millions.

$31,286 is the average cost per inmate per year. In the long run it would cost less. Plus, we wouldn't just be imprisoning people in a different way, we would get something out of it too.

Well many prisons do put prisoners to work.
But in this case the victim had serious mental illness. He needed to be in a mental hospital, not a jail.

Although well intentioned, deinstitutionalization was a complete disaster. This particular individual just one of its many victims.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

Fucking bastards should be packed off to jail.

[Lady Scylla]

Because....soldiers are never violent?

Not saying that they aren't but there is usually little to no screening for the vast majority of police and corrections in the US. In the military it is damn near impossible to get in if you have any sort of mental issue.

Not true. Military screening is a joke half the time, especially when they need numbers. They were fully willing to sweep my anxiety meds under the rug if I kept my mouth shut about it.