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The Alexandrian Polis
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Postby The Alexandrian Polis » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:14 pm

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"Australia, Canada, the UK, France and New Zealand and so on, DO NOT HAVE the Freedom of Speech in their societies."

Meanwhile, in reality, New Zealand is classified as one of the most free nations on earth. :)

Pretty sure all of those countries are classified as freer than the United States.


New Zealand is really the only one. If we brought Switzerland or The Netherlands, into the discussion I'd change my opinion. Australia is too restrictive towards gamers, Canada is admittedly restrictive to some forms of free speech, UK is too restrictive of porn, and France... I don't know enough about France to say anything.
"Imperial Socialist Republic of", "Socialist Empire of", "Socialist Imperium of", "Socialist Kingdom of", "Imperial Socialist State of", and etcetera just make absolutely no sense. Socialism's goal is Communism and Communism can't properly exist if an Imperialist power exists, especially if said nation is the Imperialist power.
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Postby The United Republic of New Britannia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:14 pm

Franco-Iberie wrote:
The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
"Australia, Canada, the UK, France and New Zealand and so on, DO NOT HAVE the Freedom of Speech in their societies."

Meanwhile, in reality, New Zealand is classified as one of the most free nations on earth. :)

Pretty sure all of those countries are classified as freer than the United States.


They're more free because they're safer.
They are safer because they are in fact LESS free to be violent and abusive and a nuisance.
:)

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:16 pm

The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:Pretty sure all of those countries are classified as freer than the United States.


New Zealand is really the only one. If we brought Switzerland or The Netherlands, into the discussion I'd change my opinion. Australia is too restrictive towards gamers, Canada is admittedly restrictive to some forms of free speech, UK is too restrictive of porn, and France... I don't know enough about France to say anything.

How is the UK too restrictive? Sorry I don't know the UK restrictions as to porn. As to the Australia gamer thing...yeah Australia is remarkably stupid when it comes to games.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:17 pm

Franco-Iberie wrote:(image snip)
relevant


I think the first one was funnier. The font was what sold it.
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Postby The Alexandrian Polis » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:17 pm

The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:Pretty sure all of those countries are classified as freer than the United States.


They're more free because they're safer.
They are safer because they are in fact LESS free to be violent and abusive and a nuisance.
:)


Choose one. This comment is generally confusing. How can something be more free because they are safer, but less free because they are safer. That is pretty much what you said.
"Imperial Socialist Republic of", "Socialist Empire of", "Socialist Imperium of", "Socialist Kingdom of", "Imperial Socialist State of", and etcetera just make absolutely no sense. Socialism's goal is Communism and Communism can't properly exist if an Imperialist power exists, especially if said nation is the Imperialist power.
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Postby Rhodevus » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:17 pm

The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:Pretty sure all of those countries are classified as freer than the United States.


New Zealand is really the only one. If we brought Switzerland or The Netherlands, into the discussion I'd change my opinion. Australia is too restrictive towards gamers, Canada is admittedly restrictive to some forms of free speech, UK is too restrictive of porn, and France... I don't know enough about France to say anything.


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http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

New Zealand: 3
Australia: 5
Canada: 7
UK: 12

USA: 17

All countries that were listed, aside from france, are higher rated than the USA
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Postby Franco-Iberie » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:17 pm

The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:Pretty sure all of those countries are classified as freer than the United States.


New Zealand is really the only one. If we brought Switzerland or The Netherlands, into the discussion I'd change my opinion. Australia is too restrictive towards gamers, Canada is admittedly restrictive to some forms of free speech, UK is too restrictive of porn, and France... I don't know enough about France to say anything.

Alright, but just because these countries are any less free than America doesn't make it right to enforce semi-totalitarian measures on their populace, right?

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Postby Iridencia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:19 pm

This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:19 pm

Franco-Iberie wrote:
The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
New Zealand is really the only one. If we brought Switzerland or The Netherlands, into the discussion I'd change my opinion. Australia is too restrictive towards gamers, Canada is admittedly restrictive to some forms of free speech, UK is too restrictive of porn, and France... I don't know enough about France to say anything.

Alright, but just because these countries are any less free than America doesn't make it right to enforce semi-totalitarian measures on their populace, right?


Somehow I doubt the person could enforce anything.
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Postby Franco-Iberie » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:19 pm

The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:Pretty sure all of those countries are classified as freer than the United States.


They're more free because they're safer.
They are safer because they are in fact LESS free to be violent and abusive and a nuisance.
:)

Gonna need some Advil here to help me wash down this circular logic.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:19 pm

Iridencia wrote:This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

You can't have been on the net long. :p But then I have watched a person claim that they where going to use dry ice to cool down a room...after ensuring the room was sealed.
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Postby Iridencia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:20 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Iridencia wrote:This is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

You can't have been on the net long. :p


I did say one of.

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Postby The United Republic of New Britannia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:22 pm

The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:
They're more free because they're safer.
They are safer because they are in fact LESS free to be violent and abusive and a nuisance.
:)


Choose one. This comment is generally confusing. How can something be more free because they are safer, but less free because they are safer. That is pretty much what you said.



In those countries, people must follow the LAW of the LAND (BEFORE) their religion, if there is a conflict of interests, the LAW there wins.... RELIGION for the most part wins in the USA, (but not there).
This makes them more orderly.

They can't have guns, which makes their streets safer.

And the lack of free speech gives victims of racism and bigotry, access to justice... which also makes their streets safer.

ALL of which gives them MORE personal freedom and maneuverability in society.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:22 pm

Iridencia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:You can't have been on the net long. :p


I did say one of.


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Postby Franco-Iberie » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:22 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:Alright, but just because these countries are any less free than America doesn't make it right to enforce semi-totalitarian measures on their populace, right?


Somehow I doubt the person could enforce anything.

This entire argument is theoretical, no way in the hell anyone's getting elected to public office on a platform like that much less actually carry it out.

But then again, that's the same thing I told myself on November 9.
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Postby The Alexandrian Polis » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:22 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
New Zealand is really the only one. If we brought Switzerland or The Netherlands, into the discussion I'd change my opinion. Australia is too restrictive towards gamers, Canada is admittedly restrictive to some forms of free speech, UK is too restrictive of porn, and France... I don't know enough about France to say anything.

How is the UK too restrictive? Sorry I don't know the UK restrictions as to porn. As to the Australia gamer thing...yeah Australia is remarkably stupid when it comes to games.


http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 33551.html

I don't know if this is up-to-date as it was made two years ago: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 33551.html
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Postby Catochristoferson » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:23 pm

OP sounds like George W. Bush.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:24 pm

The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:
The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
Choose one. This comment is generally confusing. How can something be more free because they are safer, but less free because they are safer. That is pretty much what you said.



In those countries, people must follow the LAW of the LAND (BEFORE) their religion, if there is a conflict of interests, the LAW there wins.... RELIGION for the most part wins in the USA, (but not there).
This makes them more orderly.

They can't have guns, which makes their streets safer.

And the lack of free speech gives victims of racism and bigotry, access to justice... which also makes their streets safer.

ALL of which gives them MORE personal freedom and maneuverability in society.

I'm sure that to pure liberalist it sounds like authoritarianism isntead
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:25 pm

Catochristoferson wrote:OP sounds like George W. Bush.

How? I dislike W as much as the next Social Democrat but he wasn't this bad.
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Postby Rhodevus » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:25 pm

Once again

Rhodevus wrote:
The Alexandrian Polis wrote:
New Zealand is really the only one. If we brought Switzerland or The Netherlands, into the discussion I'd change my opinion. Australia is too restrictive towards gamers, Canada is admittedly restrictive to some forms of free speech, UK is too restrictive of porn, and France... I don't know enough about France to say anything.


all numbers from this website:
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

New Zealand: 3
Australia: 5
Canada: 7
UK: 12

USA: 17

All countries that were listed, aside from france, are higher rated than the USA
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Postby The United Republic of New Britannia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:26 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:

In those countries, people must follow the LAW of the LAND (BEFORE) their religion, if there is a conflict of interests, the LAW there wins.... RELIGION for the most part wins in the USA, (but not there).
This makes them more orderly.

They can't have guns, which makes their streets safer.

And the lack of free speech gives victims of racism and bigotry, access to justice... which also makes their streets safer.

ALL of which gives them MORE personal freedom and maneuverability in society.

I'm sure that to pure liberalist it sounds like authoritarianism isntead


Governments have authority, they are all bureaucracies.
They all RUN the show in their jurisdiction.

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Postby Franco-Iberie » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:31 pm

The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:I'm sure that to pure liberalist it sounds like authoritarianism isntead


Governments have authority, they are all bureaucracies.
They all RUN the show in their jurisdiction.

I can't even tell what he's arguing about anymore...

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Postby The United Republic of New Britannia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:34 pm

Franco-Iberie wrote:
The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:
Governments have authority, they are all bureaucracies.
They all RUN the show in their jurisdiction.

I can't even tell what he's arguing about anymore...


What I'm saying is, is that if somebody wants to be devoid of all authority, they should build their own personal island in the middle of nowhere in the Atlantic ocean somewhere..
And without laws, there is no civilization.
And the idea of absolute freedom is just as bad of an idea as absolute anything, period.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:34 pm

Franco-Iberie wrote:
The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:
Governments have authority, they are all bureaucracies.
They all RUN the show in their jurisdiction.

I can't even tell what he's arguing about anymore...

He who? the OP is the person you are responding to.
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Postby The Alexandrian Polis » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:42 pm

Rhodevus wrote:Once again

Rhodevus wrote:
all numbers from this website:
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

New Zealand: 3
Australia: 5
Canada: 7
UK: 12

USA: 17

All countries that were listed, aside from france, are higher rated than the USA


I stand corrected! Nice.
"Imperial Socialist Republic of", "Socialist Empire of", "Socialist Imperium of", "Socialist Kingdom of", "Imperial Socialist State of", and etcetera just make absolutely no sense. Socialism's goal is Communism and Communism can't properly exist if an Imperialist power exists, especially if said nation is the Imperialist power.
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