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Postby Vassenor » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:59 am

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Ignoring all the times Trump has called for safe spaces just so he doesn't have to hear people criticising him.

Actually he's just sick of the news being so biased against him, essentially it's become propaganda. He would probably be fine with it if they didn't avoid talking about certain facts just because they hate him. News networks should be neutral when reporting. Let the people there themselves have their thoughts and debates, yes. That's their right. But they should at least post the story as it is without bias, whether it be biased in favor of the left or the right.


So that time he actually used the word "safe space" in a tweet during the Hamilton tirade never happened?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:05 am

American is a race now?
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Postby Soyouso » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:17 am

Vassenor wrote:So that time he actually used the word "safe space" in a tweet during the Hamilton tirade never happened?

Never said that, I'm saying his intentions in being so pissed with CNN. Not liking Trump will never, ever be illegal. The United States of America is never going to be a safe space for either side.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:39 am

Galloism wrote:American is a race now?

We had the space race and the arms race and I feel more and more like we're in a race to the bottom since January.
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Postby Rhodevus » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:50 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Galloism wrote:American is a race now?

We had the space race and the arms race and I feel more and more like we're in a race to the bottom since January.


Well, America has some very fierce competition to that last race. Nearly every country on Earth is trying for that bottom spot. :lol:
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Postby Ancient Pluto » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:28 am

As an American, the very existence of this OP triggers me. You don't speak for me. I ain't yer damn shield.

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Postby Soyouso » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:30 am

Ancient Pluto wrote:As an American, the very existence of this OP triggers me. You don't speak for me. I ain't yer damn shield.

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I almost suffocated laughing at that.

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Postby Alizeria » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:31 am

The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:Their Government in fact bans racism, and people are doing 6 months or more for it, in those countries.


Can you actually find me an example of someone in New Zealand doing 6 months or more for "racism"? Especially considering serious criminals get less than that half the time...

I think someone might in fact be pulling "alternative facts" out of his arse.
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Postby Serrus » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:36 am

The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:I just chilled the f**k out and put on my thinking cap.

There is no free speech in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK or France.
Their Government in fact bans racism, and people are doing 6 months or more for it, in those countries.

This is what I would do if I were the President.

People in the USA, who experience Anti Americanism online, should print out what is said to them, and mail it to me.

I understand that not every comment online can be accounted for....
BUT this is what is going to happen under my plan.
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Postby Sarigen » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:38 am

Alizeria wrote:
The United Republic of New Britannia wrote:Their Government in fact bans racism, and people are doing 6 months or more for it, in those countries.


Can you actually find me an example of someone in New Zealand doing 6 months or more for "racism"? Especially considering serious criminals get less than that half the time...

I think someone might in fact be pulling "alternative facts" out of his arse.


Perhaps he read the statistic that Maori are nearly six times more likely to be imprisoned than non-Maori in New Zealand, which is a statistic concerning racism, smoked a bowl while watching fox news, and got everything twisted around. :lol:

Seriously though, I did a few searches for New Zealanders imprisoned for 6 months for racism, and all I found was that statistic.

New Zealand does limit free speech, however. Internet trolling is illegal there, whereas trolling is defined as communications that are indecent, false, and used to harass individuals - the law is meant to help victims of online harassment, and was passed 116 to 5, which is a really strong amount of support for a bill. It does seem that their country has survived to this day, with internet trolling being illegal.

Ironically, New Zealand is considered to be one of the most free countries in the world, it gets an 8.6 on the Human Freedom Index (a very high rating, higher than the USA's, kek.). This is the full report on freedoms in different countries - it is a little long at 300 pages and comes from the CATO institute, but since OP is so interested in the topic, I am sure he'll be itching to read this.
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/ ... date-3.pdf
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Postby Crylante » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:44 am

I have no words. The reasoning behind the policy does not make any sense, and I highly doubt the governments of the UK, NZ, Australia, Canada and France would actually agree to this.

Personally, as a British citizen, I quite like my freedom to say that I think the US government is awful, the President is unqualified, and that both parties are terrible. And anyway, why should a government that does not represent my personal views and is not responsible for what I have to say have to pay for me criticising the US government?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:06 pm

I disagree with the OP, and this idea is never going to work even in a million universes.

Oops… does that mean I have to fess up $1000000?
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Postby Anollasia » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:09 pm

You obviously have too much spare time in your hands.

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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:10 pm

This reminds me of a site I visited on the internet that was having the World Classic Baseball 2017 game. That site had a chat. The Venezuelans, Dominicans and Puerto Ricans, all with a team representing there nation in the WCB, were bad mouthing each other, nation knocking included. I mean really bad mouthing/nation knocking. :lol: Chances are there ages ran from 14 to 23. Seems the only thing they tended to agree on was on knocking the US. :lol:

At time some would say to others not to take it seriously.
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Postby Lalaki » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:13 pm

"Anti Americanism" (outside of the Bush II and Trump eras) was largely confined to particularly left wing ideologues in European countries.

Folks across the pond generally liked Presidents Obama and Clinton, and everyone who came beforehand as the U.S. was the main bulwark of defense against the Soviet Union. And I'd hasten to say that Obama got extra marks in the eyes of Europeans for guaranteeing over 90% percent of Americans health care and standing up for the rights of immigrants, refugees, and the LGBT community. Not to mention the extremely close relationships that he built with Merkel, Hollande, and the various British Prime Ministers.

There's a reason why Trump has boosted anti-Americanism. He is wrecking enormous havoc upon the very close friendship that we have built with Europe, and he has shown the worst of us (xenophobia, racism, sexism, and so on) to the world.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:14 pm

Galloism wrote:American is a race now?


I don't know about race, but in certain areas of the south it is the most popular ethnicity.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:15 pm

Lalaki wrote:"Anti Americanism" (outside of the Bush II and Trump eras) was largely confined to particularly left wing ideologues in European countries.

Folks across the pond generally liked Presidents Obama and Clinton, and everyone who came beforehand as the U.S. was the main bulwark of defense against the Soviet Union. And I'd hasten to say that Obama got extra marks in the eyes of Europeans for guaranteeing over 90% percent of Americans health care and standing up for the rights of immigrants, refugees, and the LGBT community. Not to mention the extremely close relationships that he built with Merkel, Hollande, and the various British Prime Ministers.

There's a reason why Trump has boosted anti-Americanism. He is wrecking enormous havoc upon the very close friendship that we have built with Europe, and he has shown the worst of us (xenophobia, racism, sexism, and so on) to the world.


Oh jesus no, the stereotype of the ugly american goes back more than 200 years.
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Postby UKCS » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:18 pm

So on the original post, is this basically just another yank whining because some people (definitely not me....) don't like them? Tough. Crap.
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Postby Lalaki » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:19 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lalaki wrote:"Anti Americanism" (outside of the Bush II and Trump eras) was largely confined to particularly left wing ideologues in European countries.

Folks across the pond generally liked Presidents Obama and Clinton, and everyone who came beforehand as the U.S. was the main bulwark of defense against the Soviet Union. And I'd hasten to say that Obama got extra marks in the eyes of Europeans for guaranteeing over 90% percent of Americans health care and standing up for the rights of immigrants, refugees, and the LGBT community. Not to mention the extremely close relationships that he built with Merkel, Hollande, and the various British Prime Ministers.

There's a reason why Trump has boosted anti-Americanism. He is wrecking enormous havoc upon the very close friendship that we have built with Europe, and he has shown the worst of us (xenophobia, racism, sexism, and so on) to the world.


Oh jesus no, the stereotype of the ugly american goes back more than 200 years.


Sure. Just as stereotypes of snobbish Brits, hardnosed Germans, or the cowardly French do. But my point was that Europeans generally regarded America as a whole well outside the Bush II and Trump administrations.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:21 pm

Lalaki wrote:
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Oh jesus no, the stereotype of the ugly american goes back more than 200 years.


Sure. Just as stereotypes of snobbish Brits, hardnosed Germans, or the cowardly French do. But my point was that Europeans generally regarded America as a whole well outside the Bush II and Trump administrations.



No, they didn't think much of us after Eisenhower.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:22 pm

Then other countries do it to us. And Americans hate lots of countries. Like China, North Korea, Iran, Russia, Middle East, Asia, Africa, Europe, mars, South America, Mexico, Cuba, Haiti, California, Canada, etc.

Hell, people make so many anti-north Korean comments, we could fund their food program, their nuclear weapons program and their space program.

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Postby Lalaki » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:24 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Lalaki wrote:
Sure. Just as stereotypes of snobbish Brits, hardnosed Germans, or the cowardly French do. But my point was that Europeans generally regarded America as a whole well outside the Bush II and Trump administrations.



No, they didn't think much of us after Eisenhower.


Perhaps it's a matter of perception, but I disagree. The conversations I've had with numerous friends from Europe (along with reading most statements from post-WWII European leaders) shows that the U.S. and Europe have shared a close bond. And I don't think that a few Europeans ranting in the YouTube section about "them fat and lazy 'Mericans" changes that.
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Postby Ventaion » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:28 pm

This is literally one of the most ridiculous OPs I ever seen...

You can't just charge a nation a large sum of money because they don't think America is the best contory or that bald eagles are majestic. If you were leader, just for a day, the entire world would be at your throat.

I rest my case...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:30 pm

Lalaki wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:

No, they didn't think much of us after Eisenhower.


Perhaps it's a matter of perception, but I disagree. The conversations I've had with numerous friends from Europe (along with reading most statements from post-WWII European leaders) shows that the U.S. and Europe have shared a close bond. And I don't think that a few Europeans ranting in the YouTube section about "them fat and lazy 'Mericans" changes that.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_Am ... pejorative)


And you may want to see what john Adams says the brits thought of us.
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Postby Maupof » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:52 pm

Firstly, the op is obviously completely ignorant of international diplomacy and the real actions of the international finance industry. Do they really think the other countries are going to give the US a big bag of cash? For some remarks of a sovereign citizen? Do they think that's how huge amounts of money is exchanged between governments? It's never done using liquid funds. Also, none of the proposed penalties are of equal value, so that makes no sense. As already mentioned, the internet isn't sovereign US territory, so tough shit uncle sam, nobody's forcing you to read or listen to anything. And then what about all the "anti-americanisms" from countries not on the list? I'm sure the average nicaraguan or libyan has a some anti-american sentiment. Lastly americans complaining about prejudice because it's against them is a joke. It's arrogant reactionary hypocrisy. The US is a racist, economically feudal patriarchy with foundation and legacy of racial, ethnic and class oppression. Not to mention it's imperialist attitudes towards it's southern neighbours.

Maybe if americans made more of an effort to disassociate themselves from their government foreigners wouldn't hold them in such contempt.

I think everyone has forgotten to consider the perspective of the real americans, and not the descendants of foreign land barons.
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