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Postby Nioya » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:35 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Nioya wrote:I would like to affirm my prior state here

This is all true and delegitimizes any claim the state of Israel has to live in the territory of Palestine.

Actually several Jewish people have been living in the area for years. Please don't shoot yourself in the foot again

Well I guess we can let them live there and let the palestinians kick out all the zionist invaders. Or we could make them live under apartheid like the palestinians have to. How do you like them apples?

It doesn't matter. Because a handful of jews were living in palestine, it doesn't mean every jew has the right to come over over free of charge and stab their neighbor to death. It's an irrelevant argument. The jews have no right to occupy the territory, especially with a violent terrorist apartheid state. They lost that right when their ancestors had been living for over a century.

If the jews lived there peacefully alongside the arab muslims and Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, millions of white Jews from Europe moved there and made settlements, much unlike the native assimilated jewish population, made war with the palestinians, and then set up their own racist ethnocentric state. Then civilian deaths, using children as human shields, white phosphorous bombing, settlements, exilings. Why don't you address that?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:03 am

Nioya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually several Jewish people have been living in the area for years. Please don't shoot yourself in the foot again

Well I guess we can let them live there and let the palestinians kick out all the zionist invaders. Or we could make them live under apartheid like the palestinians have to. How do you like them apples?

It doesn't matter. Because a handful of jews were living in palestine, it doesn't mean every jew has the right to come over over free of charge and stab their neighbor to death. It's an irrelevant argument. The jews have no right to occupy the territory, especially with a violent terrorist apartheid state. They lost that right when their ancestors had been living for over a century.

If the jews lived there peacefully alongside the arab muslims and Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, millions of white Jews from Europe moved there and made settlements, much unlike the native assimilated jewish population, made war with the palestinians, and then set up their own racist ethnocentric state. Then civilian deaths, using children as human shields, white phosphorous bombing, settlements, exilings. Why don't you address that?

You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:07 am

Nioya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually several Jewish people have been living in the area for years. Please don't shoot yourself in the foot again

Well I guess we can let them live there and let the palestinians kick out all the zionist invaders. Or we could make them live under apartheid like the palestinians have to. How do you like them apples?

It doesn't matter. Because a handful of jews were living in palestine, it doesn't mean every jew has the right to come over over free of charge and stab their neighbor to death. It's an irrelevant argument. The jews have no right to occupy the territory, especially with a violent terrorist apartheid state. They lost that right when their ancestors had been living for over a century.

If the jews lived there peacefully alongside the arab muslims and Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, millions of white Jews from Europe moved there and made settlements, much unlike the native assimilated jewish population, made war with the palestinians, and then set up their own racist ethnocentric state. Then civilian deaths, using children as human shields, white phosphorous bombing, settlements, exilings. Why don't you address that?

"Palestinian" is a weird way to spell "Arab".

Also,
>violent terrorist apartheid state

Turns out, you can say whatever words you like, and put them in whatever order you wish.
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Postby Neo Balka » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:17 am

Nioya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually several Jewish people have been living in the area for years. Please don't shoot yourself in the foot again

Well I guess we can let them live there and let the palestinians kick out all the zionist invaders. Or we could make them live under apartheid like the palestinians have to. How do you like them apples?

It doesn't matter. Because a handful of jews were living in palestine, it doesn't mean every jew has the right to come over over free of charge and stab their neighbor to death. It's an irrelevant argument. The jews have no right to occupy the territory, especially with a violent terrorist apartheid state. They lost that right when their ancestors had been living for over a century.

If the jews lived there peacefully alongside the arab muslims and Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, millions of white Jews from Europe moved there and made settlements, much unlike the native assimilated jewish population, made war with the palestinians, and then set up their own racist ethnocentric state. Then civilian deaths, using children as human shields, white phosphorous bombing, settlements, exilings. Why don't you address that?


>white jews.

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Postby San Marlindo » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:22 am

Nioya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually several Jewish people have been living in the area for years. Please don't shoot yourself in the foot again

Well I guess we can let them live there and let the palestinians kick out all the zionist invaders. Or we could make them live under apartheid like the palestinians have to. How do you like them apples?

It doesn't matter. Because a handful of jews were living in palestine, it doesn't mean every jew has the right to come over over free of charge and stab their neighbor to death. It's an irrelevant argument. The jews have no right to occupy the territory, especially with a violent terrorist apartheid state. They lost that right when their ancestors had been living for over a century.

If the jews lived there peacefully alongside the arab muslims and Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, millions of white Jews from Europe moved there and made settlements, much unlike the native assimilated jewish population, made war with the palestinians, and then set up their own racist ethnocentric state. Then civilian deaths, using children as human shields, white phosphorous bombing, settlements, exilings. Why don't you address that?


You seem to be implying that all Jews who migrated to Israel are Zionist murderers.

I'd ask you to refrain from talking in absolutes.
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:27 am

PS:I do support the two state solution, so don't get your panties in a twist.

First off: calling Israel an "Apartheid state" Is not only factually wrong, it is also demeaning to South Africans who did live under apartheid. Arabs in Israel are freer than in any Arab country.
Secondly: only in the six day war was Israel the attacker (even then they had a causes belli). 1948 was an Arab invasion, Yom Kippur was an Arab war of aggression, etc.
Thirdly: while supporters of terrible groups like hezbollah may claim they only oppose the "Zionists", groups like Hezbollah and Hamas have made it their mission to end the state of Israel and commit genocide against its people. BDS isn't much better, as if it's objective is achieved, peace will not happen, and groups like Hezbollah and Hamas would be only encouraged.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:16 pm

The of Japan wrote:PS:I do support the two state solution, so don't get your panties in a twist.

First off: calling Israel an "Apartheid state" Is not only factually wrong, it is also demeaning to South Africans who did live under apartheid. Arabs in Israel are freer than in any Arab country.
Secondly: only in the six day war was Israel the attacker (even then they had a causes belli). 1948 was an Arab invasion, Yom Kippur was an Arab war of aggression, etc.
Thirdly: while supporters of terrible groups like hezbollah may claim they only oppose the "Zionists", groups like Hezbollah and Hamas have made it their mission to end the state of Israel and commit genocide against its people. BDS isn't much better, as if it's objective is achieved, peace will not happen, and groups like Hezbollah and Hamas would be only encouraged.

I agree with you.
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Postby Mikelheim » Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:53 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Nioya wrote:Well I guess we can let them live there and let the palestinians kick out all the zionist invaders. Or we could make them live under apartheid like the palestinians have to. How do you like them apples?

It doesn't matter. Because a handful of jews were living in palestine, it doesn't mean every jew has the right to come over over free of charge and stab their neighbor to death. It's an irrelevant argument. The jews have no right to occupy the territory, especially with a violent terrorist apartheid state. They lost that right when their ancestors had been living for over a century.

If the jews lived there peacefully alongside the arab muslims and Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, millions of white Jews from Europe moved there and made settlements, much unlike the native assimilated jewish population, made war with the palestinians, and then set up their own racist ethnocentric state. Then civilian deaths, using children as human shields, white phosphorous bombing, settlements, exilings. Why don't you address that?

You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

Not seeing a counter-argument there.
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Postby Slovenya » Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:56 pm

Thermodolia wrote:You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

"Zionist" is appropriate, and Zionists are the very reason Palestine came into turmoil in the 20th century.

5 Reasons why Israel is an apartheid State
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:53 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

"Zionist" is appropriate, and Zionists are the very reason Palestine came into turmoil in the 20th century.

5 Reasons why Israel is an apartheid State

Oh look a YouTube video that changes everything

Mikelheim wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

Not seeing a counter-argument there.

There wasn't much of an argument to begin with. Spouting conspiracy theories doesn't count as an argument
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Postby Slovenya » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:10 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Oh look a YouTube video that changes everything


It's the report that counts. But I guess you can't see the forest through the zio-trees
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:12 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Oh look a YouTube video that changes everything


It's the report that counts. But I guess you can't see the forest through the zio-trees

So now the trees are in on it too?! Oh my!

In all seriousness a YouTube video doesn't fly here. Find a report not a video
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:52 pm

Eh, the Palestinians have a number of restrictions on Israelis as well. It's illegal for a Palestinian to sell property or land to an Israel for instance.

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Postby The of Japan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:51 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

"Zionist" is appropriate, and Zionists are the very reason Palestine came into turmoil in the 20th century.

5 Reasons why Israel is an apartheid State

Israel is not an apartheid state: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEL-NlxBk0
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:53 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

"Zionist" is appropriate, and Zionists are the very reason Palestine came into turmoil in the 20th century.

5 Reasons why Israel is an apartheid State

Also: https://youtu.be/sY0FOPa-j-E
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:55 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Slovenya wrote:"Zionist" is appropriate, and Zionists are the very reason Palestine came into turmoil in the 20th century.

5 Reasons why Israel is an apartheid State

Also: https://youtu.be/sY0FOPa-j-E

The of Japan wrote:
Slovenya wrote:"Zionist" is appropriate, and Zionists are the very reason Palestine came into turmoil in the 20th century.

5 Reasons why Israel is an apartheid State

Israel is not an apartheid state: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEL-NlxBk0

Like I've said before, and I don't want to seem like a hypocritical asshole, YouTube doesn't count as a source
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Postby The of Japan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:01 am

Thermodolia wrote:

The of Japan wrote:Israel is not an apartheid state: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEL-NlxBk0

Like I've said before, and I don't seem like a hypocritical asshole, YouTube doesn't count as a source

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Postby Novus Athenae » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:23 am

This thread tl;dr

"Israel bad, has no right to exist."

"Israel good, fuck Palestinian claims."
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Postby Cedoria » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:27 am

Napkiraly wrote:I always enjoy how states that are far worse than Israel tend to rank lower in the pecking order of states that need to be held accountable.

If America has influence over Israeli policies, it should focus more on Israel.

It is pointless for Americans to condemn the actions of countries they have no influence over. North Korea is far worse then Israel, but it's a waste of time for American citizens to condemn it, because they have no capacity too make it stop. Since US tax dollars are going to building illegal Israeli settlements on occupied land, they DO have both some influence, and some responsibility to act.

Criticising North Korea will FEEL good, Criticising Israeli policies might DO good. This 'other people are worse' argument is contemptible excuse-making and evasion and has generally been used by apologists for violence and repression for eons. It's not less bullshit now then it was then.
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Postby Cedoria » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:30 am

Novus Athenae wrote:This thread tl;dr

"Israel bad, has no right to exist."

"Israel good, fuck Palestinian claims."

My preferred argument.

"Israel has right to exist, but not including borders of territories it has illegally occupied and colonised on the West Bank."

And
"If a Jewish person born in Brooklyn has a right to a Jewish state in Palestine, then an Arab born in Jerusalem should have the right to an Arab state in the same area."
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Postby Kekonistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:55 am

Novus Athenae wrote:This thread tl;dr

"Israel bad, has no right to exist."

"Israel good, fuck Palestinian claims."

Underrated post.
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Postby Nioya » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:08 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Nioya wrote:Well I guess we can let them live there and let the palestinians kick out all the zionist invaders. Or we could make them live under apartheid like the palestinians have to. How do you like them apples?

It doesn't matter. Because a handful of jews were living in palestine, it doesn't mean every jew has the right to come over over free of charge and stab their neighbor to death. It's an irrelevant argument. The jews have no right to occupy the territory, especially with a violent terrorist apartheid state. They lost that right when their ancestors had been living for over a century.

If the jews lived there peacefully alongside the arab muslims and Christians, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, millions of white Jews from Europe moved there and made settlements, much unlike the native assimilated jewish population, made war with the palestinians, and then set up their own racist ethnocentric state. Then civilian deaths, using children as human shields, white phosphorous bombing, settlements, exilings. Why don't you address that?

You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

Are you just going to complain or can you make a counter argument?
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Postby Gim » Sat Mar 25, 2017 4:11 am

Nioya wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You do know that using the word Zionist six times over doesn't help your argument

Are you just going to complain or can you make a counter argument?


You only used the word once.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:13 am

Novus Athenae wrote:This thread tl;dr

"Israel bad, has no right to exist."

"Israel good, fuck Palestinian claims."

Actually it hasn't been like that as several people have pointed out that Israel and Palestine both have the ability to peacefully exist. It doesn't have to be an either or option
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:15 am

Gim wrote:
Nioya wrote:Are you just going to complain or can you make a counter argument?


You only used the word once.

Over the time they've posted in here they've done nothing but rail about the Zionists. Quite frankly I'm over it
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