Israel operates with impunity??

[Napkiraly]

I mean, after the 1929 riots and the subsequent Arab revolt, I doubt how realistic it would have been to have established a unitary state. WWII sealed the deal, especially after the 1939 White Paper was published which set a lot of Zionists against the British state itself.

I think it would have been a Palestinian Civil War. Quite unrealistic and messy and Lebanon-like.
If the Zionists got leftist enough I imagine that the Soviets would have found some way to get them AK-47s to establish the Israeli Soviet Socialist Republic or some such nonsense

There was a civil war. That's what the intercommunal violence in Mandatory Palestine essentially was.

[Nioya]

A shame, I thought we were having a discussion based on facts, not declarative statements and "you know it".

I'll call attention to your own behavior.

Shhhh.
Stop using the real facts. You know that isn't playing fair.

Bullshit.

Nice assertion you have there. According to what international statute?

Protip: Any time you have to fall back on "common sense" for your argumentation, you don't have a leg left to stand on.

Also, reductio ad adsurdum has never been a valid method of discourse. Even the Romans recognized that.

Hogwash. There have certainly been ethnic Hebrews, and indeed religious Jews

Educate yourself with a quick wiki-walk.

Those are nice opinions you have there.

It's apparent that you have been rude to me this whole time and not given me any respect nor taken me seriously. Since you are dishonest and irrational, and you maintain the absurd and insane argument that a tiny population of ottoman jews in the palestinian territories nullifies palestinian rights to the land and justifies their occupation, apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, I'll ignore you. I'll no longer discuss this matter with you. But the other zionists here, i still have hope for. Maybe they can be civil, but not you.

I've presented entirely valid arguments establishing why the Hebrews are considerably more native and indigenous to Canaan than any Palestinian Arabs, arguments you have yet to refute. Falling back on "but the Juiz are ebul!" is hardly likely to convince anyone of the cogency of your standpoint.

If I proved them wrong, you would still choose to believe them. And they're ridiculous arguments.
and I'll affirm the narrative I gave again, that it is entirely correct and accurately represents the history of the occupation of palestine. It completely corresponds to the truth.

[Nioya]

So in about a thousand years they have the right to go back, commit genocides, acts of terror and dispel the people who were already living there? seems legit.

They obviously haven't committed genocides, stop spouting ridiculous lies and conspiracy theories.

I think I'll agree with this. What is happening to the palestinians is not genocide. In a real way, the term genocide was invented simply to apply to the holocaust. Horrendously violent acts have been committed in history, but they're not genocides. This is also true with the case of american indians. There was never a systematic industrial attempt to annihilate the race of american natives, but there was for the jews in the 20th century.

What is happening to the palestinians is horrible, but it's not genocide.

[Nioya]

I would like to affirm my prior state here

Arbitrary? Jews haven't lived there for one hundred, two hundred, five hundred, seven hundred, one thousand, twelve hundred, fifteen hundred years. Pick a number. Anyone of those would delegitimize their claim. Neither you nor the international community wouldn't accept any other people's claim to occupy territory because of some claim of ancestry there going back 100 years, or even 1500 years for that matter. By what principle do you still maintain they have a right to live there after being away for so long? How can you say there?

This is all true and delegitimizes any claim the state of Israel has to live in the territory of Palestine.

[Empire of Narnia]

Every nation has a right to defend themselves.

[Nioya]

Every nation has a right to defend themselves.

Yeah but they are the aggressors in this. Israel is the aggressor.

[Neo Balka]

Every nation has a right to defend themselves.

Yeah but they are the aggressors in this. Israel is the aggressor.

Maybe the Arabs should not have declared war in the 1940s?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah but they are the aggressors in this. Israel is the aggressor.

Maybe the Arabs should not have declared war in the 1940s?

That's not how it works.

[Neo Balka]

Maybe the Arabs should not have declared war in the 1940s?

That's not how it works.

actually it is.

Then the Arabs tried again some 20 years later.

Again in the 70s or some shit.

Then everyone else but the Palestinians fucked off due to the fact that Israel always beat them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's not how it works.

actually it is.

No. It isn't.

Israel is an aggressor more times than not. The Arab states attacking them in the past does not excuse that fact.

[Neo Balka]

actually it is.

No. It isn't.

Israel is an aggressor more times than not. The Arab states attacking them in the past does not excuse that fact.

Aggressing when?

in response to a Rocket launch?

[Kekonistan]

the Levant is rightful Italian clay.

[Slovenya]

Aggressing when?

in response to a Rocket launch?

that were provoked by Israel

[The Transylvanian States]

I will never support anything Israel does until they learn to be more civilised and not the intolerant Militarised, religious nutjobs they are. Any country which supports the use of a apartheid system cannot seriously be considered good willed in the modern world and it is against International Law, but because people feel sorry for the Jewish people, and are supported by both the USA and UK everyone ignores it and pretend what happend to Palestine isn't happening. And the media?! How biased are they Jewish Soldiers slaughter hundreds of Muslim Palestinians, and get away with it not being documented, but as soon as one or two Jewish Israeli soldiers are killed the media goes mad. Good example is the Lebanon war where Israel invaded Lebanon​ because two soldiers had been captured by Hezbollah. Leaving out the part about the invasion and the slaughter of hundreds of Lebanese people and saying about the brave liberation of these two couraegous soldiers of Israel.

Israel, I cannot change what my idiotic countrymen did when they gave you land in the middle east that they didn't even own but i beg you put an end to this, give back some of the territory you have stolen since from Palestine. So that they have a proper nation and identity and peace will be at least a longer term solution.

[Kilobugya]

Israel is massively violating international laws, attacking neighbours, illegally blockading and regularly bombing Palestinian, colonizing land in violation of Geneva conventions, keeping children in jail with no trials, imposing Apartheid-like laws, ... it deserves international sanctions much more than many other countries who were subjected to them. "Defending ourselves" doesn't exclude the massive crime they commit, especially the colonization.

[Slovenya]

but Zionists have everyone under their spell of false reporting and manipulated history. The reason why all the condemnations on Israel fail to see results is because the US is Israels personal bodyguard

[Kilobugya]

but Zionists have everyone under their spell of false reporting and manipulated history. The reason why all the condemnations on Israel fail to see results is because the US is Israels personal bodyguard

Not much to do with "zionists", "spell" or any kind of conspiracy - just that Israel is a geopolitical ally of USA/EU, so they will let them commit any crime with total impunity, exactly like they close their eyes to Saudi Arabia's crimes when they use it to oppose Iran, or how they closed eyes for long against South Africa's apartheid. Realpolitics and complete lack of ethical compass is the problem, not any (non-existing) zionist conspiracy.

[Slovenya]

Not much to do with "zionists", "spell" or any kind of conspiracy - just that Israel is a geopolitical ally of USA/EU, so they will let them commit any crime with total impunity, exactly like they close their eyes to Saudi Arabia's crimes when they use it to oppose Iran, or how they closed eyes for long against South Africa's apartheid. Realpolitics and complete lack of ethical compass is the problem, not any (non-existing) zionist conspiracy.

It has very much to do with Zionists and their influence in America. Ever heard of AIPAC? Also you can't say with absolute conviction the Zionist conspiracy is non-existing. But I agree with the rest of what you're saying. Saudi Arabia is the definition of radical Islam for example. They need regime change, democracy and freedom to come knocking.

[Uxupox]

Aggressing when?

in response to a Rocket launch?

that were provoked by Israel

Provoked how?

Not much to do with "zionists", "spell" or any kind of conspiracy - just that Israel is a geopolitical ally of USA/EU, so they will let them commit any crime with total impunity, exactly like they close their eyes to Saudi Arabia's crimes when they use it to oppose Iran, or how they closed eyes for long against South Africa's apartheid. Realpolitics and complete lack of ethical compass is the problem, not any (non-existing) zionist conspiracy.

It has very much to do with Zionists and their influence in America. Ever heard of AIPAC? Also you can't say with absolute conviction the Zionist conspiracy is non-existing. But I agree with the rest of what you're saying. Saudi Arabia is the definition of radical Islam for example. They need regime change, democracy and freedom to come knocking.

Zionist conspiracy? What is this Nazi germany or is this the Spanish civil war?

[SMS Graf Zeppelin]

I don't see what's wrong with bombing someone that has the intent of attacking you.

[Thermodolia]

I would like to affirm my prior state here

Arbitrary? Jews haven't lived there for one hundred, two hundred, five hundred, seven hundred, one thousand, twelve hundred, fifteen hundred years. Pick a number. Anyone of those would delegitimize their claim. Neither you nor the international community wouldn't accept any other people's claim to occupy territory because of some claim of ancestry there going back 100 years, or even 1500 years for that matter. By what principle do you still maintain they have a right to live there after being away for so long? How can you say there?

This is all true and delegitimizes any claim the state of Israel has to live in the territory of Palestine.

Actually several Jewish people have been living in the area for years. Please don't shoot yourself in the foot again

[Thermodolia]

Not much to do with "zionists", "spell" or any kind of conspiracy - just that Israel is a geopolitical ally of USA/EU, so they will let them commit any crime with total impunity, exactly like they close their eyes to Saudi Arabia's crimes when they use it to oppose Iran, or how they closed eyes for long against South Africa's apartheid. Realpolitics and complete lack of ethical compass is the problem, not any (non-existing) zionist conspiracy.

It has very much to do with Zionists and their influence in America. Ever heard of AIPAC? Also you can't say with absolute conviction the Zionist conspiracy is non-existing. But I agree with the rest of what you're saying. Saudi Arabia is the definition of radical Islam for example. They need regime change, democracy and freedom to come knocking.

And democracy and freedom worked great for Iraq. Do you want another iraq?

[Proctopeo]

It has very much to do with Zionists and their influence in America. Ever heard of AIPAC? Also you can't say with absolute conviction the Zionist conspiracy is non-existing. But I agree with the rest of what you're saying. Saudi Arabia is the definition of radical Islam for example. They need regime change, democracy and freedom to come knocking.

And democracy and freedom worked great for Iraq. Do you want another iraq?

We may not get another Iraq if we try what we did with Japan after WWII. That is, actually try.

[Thermodolia]

And democracy and freedom worked great for Iraq. Do you want another iraq?

We may not get another Iraq if we try what we did with Japan after WWII. That is, actually try.

Nuke them?

[Proctopeo]

We may not get another Iraq if we try what we did with Japan after WWII. That is, actually try.

Nuke them?

No, but that's not off the table.