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Should Israel be condemned?

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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:05 pm

Union of Despotistan wrote:Israel is an illegitimate terrorist state who gain legitimacy out of terror attacks and subversion.

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Postby Jello Biafra » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:08 pm

Slovenya wrote:Based on the actions of Israel in the last few days it would appear they are exempt from UN action against their aggression. They have attacked targets inside Syria (a soverign nation), and flew through Lebanon (a soverign nation). They say it's to keep Hezbollah (a Lebanese militia) from aquiring the military equipment it needs to attack Israel. I personally think this is wrong, and Israel should be held accountable for violating other peoples airspace and even firing weapons in other nations without permission from the government.

What are you opinions on this?

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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:09 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
I sure Europe has done the same thing.

UK sold a Rolls royce engine to the russians in the late 40s spawning the MIG-15.

Corruption is only bad when the Jews do it.


Its bad when everybody does it. It is especially bad when that so called greatest ally repeatedly does it. Israel is a liability, we should be rid of it. They operate with impunity on that sort of thing because "muh holocaust". As if that excuses treacherous behavior.

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Postby Luziyca » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:11 pm

The USA and her allies operate with impunity.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:11 pm

It's honestly quite stupid how Israel seems to think it is above International Law simply because a few million of their people were gassed or shot. 70 years ago.

Israel has no right to fly in Lebanese air space, use their fighters in Syria, or anything of the sort. The Syrian government did not invite them or ask for their assistance in defeating ISIL or any other terrorist group. Therefore, they're nothing more than invaders. Simply as.

I believe Israel has a right to exist. But it does not have the right to invade sovereign nations and flex their muscles where they please. Netanyahu and his cronies can go suck a big, fat one.
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:12 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Corruption is only bad when the Jews do it.


Its bad when everybody does it.

But only those dirty kikes' country should face a penalty for having corrupt officials *nod*
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Postby Union of Despotistan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:12 pm

Bressen wrote:
Union of Despotistan wrote:Israel is an illegitimate terrorist state who gain legitimacy out of terror attacks and subversion.
They operate with complete disregard of everyone since they have the support and veto of the USA.

yeah but so does Saudi Arabia, so it kind of evens out

You are quite right.
We should cut all diplomatic and economic ties with those nations immediately.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:13 pm

Crockerland wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Its bad when everybody does it.

But only those dirty kikes' country should face a penalty for having corrupt officials *nod*


I do like how you put words in my mouth. Tell me more Crockerland about my Neo-Nazi connections for thinking Israel is a shitty ally for stealing our secrets and selling them. How can you call yourself pro-America with those sorts of views?

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Postby Bressen » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:15 pm

Union of Despotistan wrote:
Bressen wrote:yeah but so does Saudi Arabia, so it kind of evens out

You are quite right.
We should cut all diplomatic and economic ties with those nations immediately.

Glad you agree.

For the record, my comment wasn't particularly levied at you, but rather a broader statement concerning the fact that Israel and it's actions are such a hot topic to debate whilst Saudi Arabia is blissfully forgotten about, despite the general consensus that both nations are doing some fucked up shit.
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Postby ImperialistSalvia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:15 pm

Crockerland wrote:
Union of Despotistan wrote:Israel is an illegitimate terrorist state who gain legitimacy out of terror attacks and subversion.
-snip-


He's right though, not the illegitimate part; that was true maybe before the 70's but no longer. Israel is king of subversion and terrorism. How much of their propaganda have you been consuming? Do you think Iran is the great enemy as well?

Crockerland wrote:But only those dirty kikes' country should face a penalty for having corrupt officials *nod*

I know you're trying to make a point, but fuck off with this bullshit

The East Marches II wrote:
Its bad when everybody does it. It is especially bad when that so called greatest ally repeatedly does it. Israel is a liability, we should be rid of it. They operate with impunity on that sort of thing because "muh holocaust". As if that excuses treacherous behavior.

Israel is a rogue state that needs to be reined in
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:17 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Crockerland wrote:But only those dirty kikes' country should face a penalty for having corrupt officials *nod*


I do like how you put words in my mouth. Tell me more Crockerland about my Neo-Nazi connections for thinking Israel is a shitty ally for stealing our secrets and selling them. How can you call yourself pro-America with those sorts of views?

You haven't given any reason whatsoever why Israel should face more of a penalty than any other nation on Earth because there have been corrupt officials in it's government that do shitty things, Israel is the only Jewish country on Earth, it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
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Postby Bressen » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:20 pm

ImperialistSalvia wrote:
Crockerland wrote:Israel is an illegitimate terrorist state who gain legitimacy out of terror attacks and subversion.

He's right though, not the illegitimate part; that was true maybe before the 70's but no longer. Israel is king of subversion and terrorism. How much of their propaganda have you been consuming? Do you think Iran is the great enemy as well?

woah hey how about we substantiate that claim before asserting the other person is indoctrinated by propaganda
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:22 pm

ImperialistSalvia wrote:
Crockerland wrote:-snip-


He's right though, not the illegitimate part; that was true maybe before the 70's but no longer. Israel is king of subversion and terrorism. How much of their propaganda have you been consuming? Do you think Iran is the great enemy as well?

Iran isn't very great at all, considering how many gay people they like to hang.
Bressen wrote:
ImperialistSalvia wrote:He's right though, not the illegitimate part; that was true maybe before the 70's but no longer. Israel is king of subversion and terrorism. How much of their propaganda have you been consuming? Do you think Iran is the great enemy as well?

woah hey how about we substantiate that claim before asserting the other person is indoctrinated by propaganda

That is not the pro-Palestinian way.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:25 pm

The East Marches II wrote:I do like how you put words in my mouth. Tell me more Crockerland about my Neo-Nazi connections for thinking Israel is a shitty ally for stealing our secrets and selling them. How can you call yourself pro-America with those sorts of views?

Who needs to be pro-America when you can suck Israel's dick, obv?
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Postby Crockerland » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:34 pm

The East Marches II wrote:How can you call yourself pro-America with those sorts of views?

Given that, by your own standards (for the Jewish state, at least), supporting a country evidently means supporting it's worst aspects (in Israel's case, corrupt politicians selling out allied countries for monetary gain), being pro-America must be an ideology of being in favor of countless massacres, war rapes, and decades of imperialism and sponsorship of terrorism and corrupt dictatorships. Describing yourself as being in favor of any country by the standards you have for Israel is an atrocity.

On the issue of Israel, I am not pro-Israel, I am not pro-US, I am just pro-morality.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:35 pm

Crockerland wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:How can you call yourself pro-America with those sorts of views?

Given that, by your own standards (for the Jewish state, at least), supporting a country evidently means supporting it's worst aspects (in Israel's case, corrupt politicians selling out allied countries for monetary gain), being pro-America must be an ideology of being in favor of countless massacres, war rapes, and decades of imperialism and sponsorship of terrorism and corrupt dictatorships. Describing yourself as being in favor of any country by the standards you have for Israel is an atrocity.

Ah, I remember the good old days, when we liberals brought any of that up for any reason and we got told we hated America. Now Trump and friends say it for no other reason to denigrate America and still think of themselves as patriots.
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Postby ImperialistSalvia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 3:35 pm

Bressen wrote:
ImperialistSalvia wrote:He's right though, not the illegitimate part; that was true maybe before the 70's but no longer. Israel is king of subversion and terrorism. How much of their propaganda have you been consuming? Do you think Iran is the great enemy as well?

woah hey how about we substantiate that claim before asserting the other person is indoctrinated by propaganda

A simple Google search would do these Shabbos goyim wonders

Crockerland wrote:Iran isn't very great at all, considering how many gay people they like to hang.

Nice deflection

Crockerland wrote:That is not the pro-Palestinian way.

So one can't be pro-Israel and pro-Palestine; are the two somehow mutually exclusive? I thought the goal was a two-state solution, no?

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:43 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
If thats true then why do they keep selling our secrets? It seems reality does not have a pro-Israel bias.


I sure Europe has done the same thing.

UK sold a Rolls royce engine to the russians in the late 40s spawning the MIG-15.


You know Rolls Royce are British, right? So it may be unwise, what with the probability of reverse engineering, but it was their tech to sell.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:44 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
I sure Europe has done the same thing.

UK sold a Rolls royce engine to the russians in the late 40s spawning the MIG-15.


You know Rolls Royce are British, right? So it may be unwise, what with the probability of reverse engineering, but it was their tech to sell.


To the russians.

in the opening years of the cold war.

THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:47 pm

You see, the UN is not allowed to touch Isreal. Every effort to even criticize it will be buried in accusations of betrayal, antisemitism, and support terrorists. So, what little power we got in the International Ring, it don't apply to Israel.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:48 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
You know Rolls Royce are British, right? So it may be unwise, what with the probability of reverse engineering, but it was their tech to sell.


To the russians.

in the opening years of the cold war.

THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING.

That they weren't at war?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:50 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
You know Rolls Royce are British, right? So it may be unwise, what with the probability of reverse engineering, but it was their tech to sell.


To the russians.

in the opening years of the cold war.

THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING.


That the Russians just helped us beat the Nazis?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:51 pm

Neo Balka wrote:To the russians.

in the opening years of the cold war.

THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING.

"We can make money off of the Soviets while giving them tech they'd develop on their own anyway"?
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:52 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
To the russians.

in the opening years of the cold war.

THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING.

That they weren't at war?


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:52 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:To the russians.

in the opening years of the cold war.

THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING.

"We can make money off of the Soviets while giving them tech they'd develop on their own anyway"?


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