Israel operates with impunity??

[Saddamiya Iraq]

Israel shouldn't exist.


But anyways; yes, I think Israel does operate with impunity. Aside from the rather meak/weak UN criticising them every once in a while.

What angered me is that Israel launched an unlawful attack into Syria, denied the fact that one of its aircraft was shot down, and then said "oh, we'll destroy every Syrian Air Defence system if they target our aircraft again."

[Thermodolia]

Is that a question? Just look at their nuclear program and compare its size and international reaction to that of the DPRK.

Ya but Israel hasn't claimed to want to kill half of the world with them unlike NK

[Thermodolia]

Israel shouldn't exist.


But anyways; yes, I think Israel does operate with impunity. Aside from the rather meak/weak UN criticising them every once in a while.

What angered me is that Israel launched an unlawful attack into Syria, denied the fact that one of its aircraft was shot down, and then said "oh, we'll destroy every Syrian Air Defence system if they target our aircraft again."

So do you agree that the Americans and many European nations have also unlawful attacked/invaded Syria or do they get a free pass? Also mind you that the Syrian government publicly supports a group that wants to kill everyone in Israel and kill every Jew.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Israel shouldn't exist.


But anyways; yes, I think Israel does operate with impunity. Aside from the rather meak/weak UN criticising them every once in a while.

What angered me is that Israel launched an unlawful attack into Syria, denied the fact that one of its aircraft was shot down, and then said "oh, we'll destroy every Syrian Air Defence system if they target our aircraft again."

Obvious lol is obvious.

Pretty sure no Israeli aircraft was shot down, unless you have some sources I haven't seen.

[Thermodolia]

Israel shouldn't exist.


But anyways; yes, I think Israel does operate with impunity. Aside from the rather meak/weak UN criticising them every once in a while.

What angered me is that Israel launched an unlawful attack into Syria, denied the fact that one of its aircraft was shot down, and then said "oh, we'll destroy every Syrian Air Defence system if they target our aircraft again."

Obvious lol is obvious.

Pretty sure no Israeli aircraft was shot down, unless you have some sources I haven't seen.

Well IDF aircraft was shot at but that's it

[G-Tech Corporation]

Obvious lol is obvious.

Pretty sure no Israeli aircraft was shot down, unless you have some sources I haven't seen.

Well IDF aircraft was shot at but that's it

Oh yes. That was the case, certainly. The difference between Assad's cronies plinking at an IDF jet and actually downing one is rather salient.

[Thermodolia]

Well IDF aircraft was shot at but that's it

Oh yes. That was the case, certainly. The difference between Assad's cronies plinking at an IDF jet and actually downing one is rather salient.

If they actually downed one, most of Syria would be under IDF occupation

[Novus Athenae]

Oh yes. That was the case, certainly. The difference between Assad's cronies plinking at an IDF jet and actually downing one is rather salient.

If they actually downed one, most of Syria would be under IDF occupation

I think at that point Putin would just tell Al-Assad he deserved it for being a moron and a brutal dictator willing to bomb and gas his own people.

[Zawikhiztan]

If they actually downed one, most of Syria would be under IDF occupation

I think at that point Putin would just tell Al-Assad he deserved it for being a moron and a brutal dictator willing to bomb and gas his own people.

I respect that but Assad also did some pretty good things

[Novus Athenae]

I think at that point Putin would just tell Al-Assad he deserved it for being a moron and a brutal dictator willing to bomb and gas his own people.

I respect that but Assad also did some pretty good things

Most of those things probably happened prior to 2011.

[Slovenya]

So do you agree that the Americans and many European nations have also unlawful attacked/invaded Syria or do they get a free pass? Also mind you that the Syrian government publicly supports a group that wants to kill everyone in Israel and kill every Jew.

Bashar Assad said anyone who is in Syria without the consent of the Syrian government are invaders. So yes even those European nations are there illegally, the difference is they are attacking forces that are fighting ISIS (Hezbollah). Also when did Hezbollah ever say they want every Jew dead? Fake Zionist Propaganda..

[Nioya]

Does this really bother you more than all the horrible things israel is doing and has been doing to the palestinians for decades? This is nothing compared to that.

The sad part is nothing will come of it. Israel gets to bully whomever they want.

[Kekonistan]

Not only does the Israeli Airforce attack the Syrian Arab Army in palmyra while they are fighting ISIS but the Israeli border guard have opened their border to all injured Al Qeada (Al Nusra) fighters to be treated in the occupied Golan heights and then send them back into Syria to keep fighting the Syrian state.

If that isn't enough to think that Israel supports and sponsors terrorism in Syria and acting as a ISIS Airforce then i dont know what is.

yea I've read about that before. It almost looks like Israel likes the instability.

Ofcourse Israel likes the instability. It is a state like all others. As long their enemies (in this case Islamic countries in the Mid-East) remain unstable or dominated they are happy.

[Slovenya]

Does this really bother you more than all the horrible things israel is doing and has been doing to the palestinians for decades? This is nothing compared to that.

The sad part is nothing will come of it. Israel gets to bully whomever they want.

Well the Palestine issue is a whole matter in itself. Israel robbed land and now oppresses it's indigenous population. The world doesn't care unfortunately, just how it doesn't seem to care whether Israel commits any crime against humanity.

Ofcourse Israel likes the instability. It is a state like all others. As long their enemies (in this case Islamic countries in the Mid-East) remain unstable or dominated they are happy.

They are to blame for that. The world will one day realize how evil Israel really is.

[Kekonistan]

They are to blame for that. The world will one day realize how evil Israel really is.

It's not as if the Arabs do not wants Israel gone too.

For me it's finger crossing and an endless misery there in the Mid East. But not my problem. I'm neither a Jew nor a Muslim/Arab.

[Proctopeo]

Does this really bother you more than all the horrible things israel is doing and has been doing to the palestinians for decades? This is nothing compared to that.

The sad part is nothing will come of it. Israel gets to bully whomever they want.

Well the Palestine issue is a whole matter in itself. Israel robbed land and now oppresses it's indigenous population. The world doesn't care unfortunately, just how it doesn't seem to care whether Israel commits any crime against humanity.

The UN condemns Israel more per year than anybody else, so clearly at least some of the world cares. Cares too much, if you ask me; as of 2015, Israel was condemned by the UN Human Rights Council more than the rest of the world combined. It was condemned 62 times; everyone else, 55. Syria came in second, taking 17, and North Korea, which almost everybody can agree is very very bad at this "human rights" thing, only has eight.

So, yes, forces in the world care, but they're making Olympus Mons out of a molehill, and making Britton Hill out of Mount K2 in regards to other parts of the world, like North Korea, Saudi Arabia, China, and other civil rights disaster areas.

Interesting to note on this topic is that according to Freedom in the World, Israel, a country that was condemned, once again, more than everybody else combined, is under "Free", the same category shared by 85 other countries, including most of Europe, the entire Anglosphere, India, much of South America, Mongolia, and others, while the other three countries I mentioned are Not Free, as well as Syria.

tl;dr: Israel has problems but there's places dramatically worse, and the UN is petty

(also Palestine was only established as anything other than a region after Israel was recreated by the British Empire)

(yes, this isn't completely related to this thread, but I felt the need to rant)

[Thermodolia]

So do you agree that the Americans and many European nations have also unlawful attacked/invaded Syria or do they get a free pass? Also mind you that the Syrian government publicly supports a group that wants to kill everyone in Israel and kill every Jew.

Bashar Assad said anyone who is in Syria without the consent of the Syrian government are invaders. So yes even those European nations are there illegally, the difference is they are attacking forces that are fighting ISIS (Hezbollah). Also when did Hezbollah ever say they want every Jew dead? Fake Zionist Propaganda..

When? Since they came into existence. That's not fake news it's real, you just don't want to listen or admit it.

[Napkiraly]

Hezbollah actively engages in Holocaust denial and spreads various anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=vYBtwkj78BUC&pg=PT63&dq=&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.economist.com/node/7796790
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5658944
https://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E7DE1031F93AA35751C1A9629C8B63
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3801302,00.html

[Crockerland]

Does this really bother you more than all the horrible things israel is doing and has been doing to the palestinians for decades? This is nothing compared to that.

The sad part is nothing will come of it. Israel gets to bully whomever they want.

Well the Palestine issue is a whole matter in itself. Israel robbed land and now oppresses it's indigenous population.

Israelis are indigenous. "Palestine" never owned any of the land, except for the Gaza strip, which it stopped claiming for decades.
Israel was founded in May 1948, and by 1949 claimed all of the total area except for Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip.
The first Palestine, the All-Palestine-Government, was founded September of the same year (by a nazi recruiter named Hajj Amin Al Husseini), only claiming Gaza and failing by the mid-to-late 1950s and ceasing to exist and giving control of it's territory to Egypt.
After the three day war in 1967, Israel claimed Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip, as well as the Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights.
In 1988, the PLO declared a new Palestinian state and finally claimed Judea and Samaria as it's own for the first time, it also claimed the Gaza Strip.

Israeli claims in Judea and Samaria predate Palestinian claims by 40 years (and Jewish claims there predate Islamic claims by centuries).

[The Novakian Empire]

Yeah, israel operates with impunity, everyone knows that.
Also, it should be sanctioned. (not like its going to, because of their best buddy, the United States of America!)

However, i'm not looking to argue with anyone on that point. I'm not going to convince anyone otherwise by debating with them, and they are sure as hell not going to convince me.
Let's just all have our opinions without arguing about them, a'ight?

[Napkiraly]

Yeah, israel operates with impunity, everyone knows that.
Also, it should be sanctioned. (not like its going to, because of their best buddy, the United States of America!)

However, i'm not looking to argue with anyone on that point. I'm not going to convince anyone otherwise by debating with them, and they are sure as hell not going to convince me.
Let's just all have our opinions without arguing about them, a'ight?

Please be joking.

[Thermodolia]

Yeah, israel operates with impunity, everyone knows that.
Also, it should be sanctioned. (not like its going to, because of their best buddy, the United States of America!)

However, i'm not looking to argue with anyone on that point. I'm not going to convince anyone otherwise by debating with them, and they are sure as hell not going to convince me.
Let's just all have our opinions without arguing about them, a'ight?

You're not going to debate in a debate forum?

[The Novakian Empire]

Yeah, israel operates with impunity, everyone knows that.
Also, it should be sanctioned. (not like its going to, because of their best buddy, the United States of America!)

However, i'm not looking to argue with anyone on that point. I'm not going to convince anyone otherwise by debating with them, and they are sure as hell not going to convince me.
Let's just all have our opinions without arguing about them, a'ight?

You're not going to debate in a debate forum?

Nope.
Just gonna.. watch.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well the Palestine issue is a whole matter in itself. Israel robbed land and now oppresses it's indigenous population.

Israelis are indigenous. "Palestine" never owned any of the land, except for the Gaza strip, which it stopped claiming for decades.
Israel was founded in May 1948, and by 1949 claimed all of the total area except for Judea and Samaria and the Gaza strip.
The first Palestine, the All-Palestine-Government, was founded September of the same year (by a nazi recruiter named Hajj Amin Al Husseini), only claiming Gaza and failing by the mid-to-late 1950s and ceasing to exist and giving control of it's territory to Egypt.
After the three day war in 1967, Israel claimed Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip, as well as the Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights.
In 1988, the PLO declared a new Palestinian state and finally claimed Judea and Samaria as it's own for the first time, it also claimed the Gaza Strip.

Israeli claims in Judea and Samaria predate Palestinian claims by 40 years (and Jewish claims there predate Islamic claims by centuries).

Shhhh.

Stop using the real facts. You know that isn't playing fair.

[Napkiraly]

You're not going to debate in a debate forum?

Nope.
Just gonna.. watch.

And why don't you want your views challenged? That close minded?