Israel operates with impunity??

[Neo Balka]

Well when Israel bombs the living day lights out of an entire population without declaration of war then the only really strong force (Hezbollah) does something about it.

Also how an you drop bombs on scores of civilians in a foreign nation for a knife attack? I mean seriously where's the logic there?

Maybe hezbollah shouldn't put their camps, headquarters, and rocket encampments in know civilian areas. Like hospitals and shit.

They are only human beings until after the bombs drop.

[Thermodolia]

If 9,567 Americans were killed every year by Chinese attacks (there were about 220 stabbings per year in Israel from 2000-2005, around 0.003% of Israel's population being killed off), which would exceed US losses of life in the Iraq War (4,498) and Afghanistan War (2,356) combined, and the Chinese government did little to nothing to stop the attacks, then yes, the US would be completely justified in bombing China.

So, because they killed innocents, you think it's justifiable to kill other innocents in retaliation? Very Old Testament of you.

Well we kinda bombed the shit out of a-Stan after 9/11

[Thermodolia]

Maybe hezbollah shouldn't put their camps, headquarters, and rocket encampments in know civilian areas. Like hospitals and shit.

They are only human beings until after the bombs drop.

A means to an end unfortunately.

[Neo Balka]

So, because they killed innocents, you think it's justifiable to kill other innocents in retaliation? Very Old Testament of you.

Well we kinda bombed the shit out of a-Stan after 9/11

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

[Thermodolia]

Well we kinda bombed the shit out of a-Stan after 9/11

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

Exactly so if the Chinese killed 9,000 Americans we would have pretty damn good justification to do whatever to China and we'd have precedent on our side. So Israel is more than in the right to defend its citizens

[Napkiraly]

I'd like to also remind people that when another foreign power (Japan) attacked the United States, the response was to completely dismantle its empire, burn its cities to the ground and kill millions of its people, many being civilians. That was the response to less than 3000 Americans being killed. So I'm not entirely sure where this idea is that for whatever reason, if someone tries killing your people you have to try and kill them back proportionately.

[Napkiraly]

Israel works pretty much on a punitive expedition mindset. Screw with one of their citizens and you can expect a walloping for doing so.

[Thermodolia]

I'd like to also remind people that when another foreign power (Japan) attacked the United States, the response was to completely dismantle its empire, burn its cities to the ground and kill millions of its people, many being civilians. That was the response to less than 3000 Americans being killed. So I'm not entirely sure where this idea is that for whatever reason, if someone tries killing your people you have to try and kill them back proportionately.

Because some people still think war is like it was in the 18th century

[Neo Balka]

I'd like to also remind people that when another foreign power (Japan) attacked the United States, the response was to completely dismantle its empire, burn its cities to the ground and kill millions of its people, many being civilians. That was the response to less than 3000 Americans being killed. So I'm not entirely sure where this idea is that for whatever reason, if someone tries killing your people you have to try and kill them back proportionately.

>person gets stabbed

"alright, special forces team armed with plastic butter knives inserted into random fucking place".

[Thermodolia]

I'd like to also remind people that when another foreign power (Japan) attacked the United States, the response was to completely dismantle its empire, burn its cities to the ground and kill millions of its people, many being civilians. That was the response to less than 3000 Americans being killed. So I'm not entirely sure where this idea is that for whatever reason, if someone tries killing your people you have to try and kill them back proportionately.

>person gets stabbed

"alright, special forces team armed with plastic butter knives inserted into random fucking place".

I'd prefer the silver plastic kind but that works to

[Pasong Tirad]

Well we kinda bombed the shit out of a-Stan after 9/11

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

Okay okay okay I just want to hear you answer in the affirmative: because Islamic extremists killed 3,000 Americans, you think it's okay that the American War in Afghanistan and Iraq led to the deaths of approx. 130,000 civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Much the same way that Hezbollah attacks Israelis with knives, Israel now has the legitimacy to claim self-defense and kill thousands of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians?

[Napkiraly]

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

Okay okay okay I just want to hear you answer in the affirmative: because Islamic extremists killed 3,000 Americans, you think it's okay that the American War in Afghanistan and Iraq led to the deaths of approx. 130,000 civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Much the same way that Hezbollah attacks Israelis with knives, Israel now has the legitimacy to claim self-defense and kill thousands of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians?

Yes. And this is hardly a radical idea. Generally speaking, you win by breaking the enemy via killing as many of them as required to make them break. That can be a handful or it can be a few million.

[Neo Balka]

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

Okay okay okay I just want to hear you answer in the affirmative: because Islamic extremists killed 3,000 Americans, you think it's okay that the American War in Afghanistan and Iraq led to the deaths of approx. 130,000 civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Much the same way that Hezbollah attacks Israelis with knives, Israel now has the legitimacy to claim self-defense and kill thousands of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians?

War is not fair, those that think so should step on the battlefield sometime.

[Thermodolia]

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

Okay okay okay I just want to hear you answer in the affirmative: because Islamic extremists killed 3,000 Americans, you think it's okay that the American War in Afghanistan and Iraq led to the deaths of approx. 130,000 civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Much the same way that Hezbollah attacks Israelis with knives, Israel now has the legitimacy to claim self-defense and kill thousands of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians?

Yes. I mean we dropped two A-bombs on Japan during WW2 after they killed less than 3,000 Americans. If it's justified for us to do that than surely it's justified for Israel to do the same

[Crockerland]

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

Okay okay okay I just want to hear you answer in the affirmative: because Islamic extremists killed 3,000 Americans, you think it's okay that the American War in Afghanistan and Iraq led to the deaths of approx. 130,000 civilians in both Iraq and Afghanistan? Much the same way that Hezbollah attacks Israelis with knives, Israel now has the legitimacy to claim self-defense and kill thousands of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians?

While Israel bans terrorist parties like Kach & Kahane Chai and has arrested numerous people for inciting and participating in terrorism, the governments of Palestine and Lebanon make no effort whatsoever to stop terrorists and Hamas and Hezbollah hold several dozen seats within the Palestinian and Lebanese legislatures, respectively. If Palestine and Lebanon don't want civilians to die, they should evict the terrorist groups from populated civilian areas and, if they don't want to be bombed at all, they should ban the terrorist groups altogether and actively fight them. The Egyptians have been actively cooperating with Israel to stop anti-Israeli terror and even in the wake of anti-Israel terrorist attacks in 2011 and 2012, Israel has not attacked Egypt and has killed no Egyptian civilians.

[The Sauganash Union]

Israel has travel bans, border walls, and socialized healthcare.

But I guess neo-conservatives only complain when America wants to have those things.

[Slovenya]

Well we kinda bombed the shit out of a-Stan after 9/11

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

actually it was the Saudis that killed 3,000 people on 9/11. None of the hijackers were from Afghanistan or Iraq. Just like how the US government lies to get into wars, so does the Israeli government. Ever heard the story of the dancing Israelis on 9/11?

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

Israel is what?
...They do this shit all the time. When we don't protect them, the only people who care are anti-zionists, neonazis, pacifists, BDS and antisemites.

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

actually it was the Saudis that killed 3,000 people on 9/11. None of the hijackers were from Afghanistan or Iraq. Just like how the US government lies to get into wars, so does the Israeli government. Ever heard the story of the dancing Israelis on 9/11?

Nope! Guess everybody outside of Euroamerica was dancing on 9/11, hoping we ran to our doom.

[Proctopeo]

I voted no, even though the UN will condemn them 20 times this year anyway.
My reason for supporting Israel this time?

Israel is defending itself. Good for them.

This. Besides half of Europe is in Syria right now fighting. Are you saying that Israel a nation that borders Syria can't invade to protect itself but it's all fine for Europe to do so OP?

Basically this.

[G-Tech Corporation]

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

actually it was the Saudis that killed 3,000 people on 9/11. None of the hijackers were from Afghanistan or Iraq. Just like how the US government lies to get into wars, so does the Israeli government. Ever heard the story of the dancing Israelis on 9/11?

Poppycock. Find a single reputable source supporting the dancing Israelis, if you dare. The facts point to a ground of Israels filming the aftermath of the event and taking pictures like many New Yorkers did, and a neighbor not understanding their language/having had previous person issues with them.

[Thermodolia]

only because they killed 3,000 of our people.

fucking the taliban into the dirt was only the beginning.

actually it was the Saudis that killed 3,000 people on 9/11. None of the hijackers were from Afghanistan or Iraq. Just like how the US government lies to get into wars, so does the Israeli government. Ever heard the story of the dancing Israelis on 9/11?

Wow. You really hate Israel so much that you make up dumb shit about them.

[PaNTuXIa]

the reason Israel often goes uncriticized is because the media is made up of largely pro-Israel figures, or owned by pro-Israel companies. Another reason is the social stigma surrounding criticizing Israel, as the ADL are often quick to label anyone who criticizes the State a "anti-Semite." Also, the government of the US has had many high-ranking officials with pro-Israel views. Examples include:

Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director – Ken Melman
National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter – David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
Federal Reserve Chair – Janet Yellen
Federal Reserve Vice-Chair – Stanley Fischer

As well as this, groups such as AIPAC and JStreetPac spend millions of dollars every year lobbying the federal government.

[Thermodolia]

the reason Israel often goes uncriticized is because the media is made up of largely pro-Israel figures, or owned by pro-Israel companies. Another reason is the social stigma surrounding criticizing Israel, as the ADL are often quick to label anyone who criticizes the State a "anti-Semite." Also, the government of the US has had many high-ranking officials with dual Israeli-American citizenship. Examples include:

Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director – Ken Melman
National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter – David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
Federal Reserve Chair – Janet Yellen
Federal Reserve Vice-Chair – Stanley Fischer

As well as this, groups such as AIPAC and JStreetPac spend millions of dollars every year lobbying the federal government.

Um just about every single one of those is false. None of them have dual citizenship and only sites of dubious intent claim this. This is just another form of "the Jews did it" conspiracy.

Also James Schlesinger wasn't what ever you say he was he was SECDEF and CIA director, David Wurmser was an adviser not an under secretary, I can find absolutely nothing about anyone named Christopher Gersten that worked in the government.

[PaNTuXIa]

the reason Israel often goes uncriticized is because the media is made up of largely pro-Israel figures, or owned by pro-Israel companies. Another reason is the social stigma surrounding criticizing Israel, as the ADL are often quick to label anyone who criticizes the State a "anti-Semite." Also, the government of the US has had many high-ranking officials with dual Israeli-American citizenship. Examples include:

Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
White House Political Director – Ken Melman
National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
White House Speechwriter – David Frum
White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis
Federal Reserve Chair – Janet Yellen
Federal Reserve Vice-Chair – Stanley Fischer

As well as this, groups such as AIPAC and JStreetPac spend millions of dollars every year lobbying the federal government.

Um just about every single one of those is false. None of them have dual citizenship and only sites of dubious intent claim this. This is just another form of "the Jews did it" conspiracy.

They're still pro-Israel though, correct?

[Thermodolia]

Um just about every single one of those is false. None of them have dual citizenship and only sites of dubious intent claim this. This is just another form of "the Jews did it" conspiracy.

They're still pro-Israel though, correct?

If wanting Israel to be able to exist counts then yes, otherwise no. Also just because someone is Jewish doesn't mean they are pro-Israel.