Israel operates with impunity??

[Thermodolia]

At least your consistent

A consistently trash argument does not improve by virtue of constancy, unfortunately. If it did then Erdogan would be a good leader, the Crimea would be unequivocally Russian, global warming wouldn't exist, and the world's energy needs would be easily solvable by coal for the next ten millennia.

Yes I'm not saying that it does.

[G-Tech Corporation]

A consistently trash argument does not improve by virtue of constancy, unfortunately. If it did then Erdogan would be a good leader, the Crimea would be unequivocally Russian, global warming wouldn't exist, and the world's energy needs would be easily solvable by coal for the next ten millennia.

Yes I'm not saying that it does.

Oh no, I know. I'm just appending that note to your statement lest others think you were

[Thermodolia]

Yes I'm not saying that it does.

Oh no, I know. I'm just appending that note to your statement lest others think you were

Well thanks for the help

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

Personally, I'm of the thought that a lot of this wouldn't happen if two things in history were different:
The US allows Jewish refugees from WWII to settle within the nation instead of stealing land that was legitimately under Arabic control at the time and plopping them down there. Just because it's your historic homeland doesn't mean that it's still your land if you abandoned it centuries ago.
The US doesn't fund Afghan rebels during the Russian-Afghan war. Or, alternatively, the USSR doesn't bother with Afghanistan altogether and the Russian-Afghan war doesn't happen.
The former created the above situation. The latter resulted in the US essentially providing terrorist organizations with military-grade equipment.

But unfortunately, you can't change history.

I feel that Israel should DEFINITELY suffer some sort of consequences. However, I don't feel that a condemnation would be the right direction, but rather interpreting their actions as an official declaration of war against the offended nations. It would be a good lesson in the old adage "you reap what you sow".

[Slovenya]

Not only does the Israeli Airforce attack the Syrian Arab Army in palmyra while they are fighting ISIS but the Israeli border guard have opened their border to all injured Al Qeada (Al Nusra) fighters to be treated in the occupied Golan heights and then send them back into Syria to keep fighting the Syrian state.

If that isn't enough to think that Israel supports and sponsors terrorism in Syria and acting as a ISIS Airforce then i dont know what is.

The US and Europe do the exact same with the air support

the difference is that Russia is invited in Syria, and the US is [invited] in Iraq. Isreal isn't invited and doesn't cooperate with anyone when they act. They are like a bully in the region.

[G-Tech Corporation]

The US and Europe do the exact same with the air support

the difference is that Russia is invited in Syria, and the US is [invited] in Iraq. Isreal isn't invited and doesn't cooperate with anyone when they act. They are like a bully in the region.

Hmm, yknow, I wasn't aware Hezbollah had permission to launch rockets in to Israel, or permits for those knife attacks. But I must be wrong, given how you argue that military actions have to be taken with the consent of the defender. It is nice to learn new things every day.

[Valaran]

That was a necessary action.

[Napkiraly]

Personally, I'm of the thought that a lot of this wouldn't happen if two things in history were different:
The US allows Jewish refugees from WWII to settle within the nation instead of stealing land that was legitimately under Arabic control at the time and plopping them down there. Just because it's your historic homeland doesn't mean that it's still your land if you abandoned it centuries ago.

1) It wasn't "abandoned" since many were expelled or forced to flee.
2) The British did actively try to prevent Jewish immigration to Palestine. A lot of the violence committed by Jewish terrorist organizations both before the war and afterward was due to that precise issue.

[Slovenya]

Hmm, yknow, I wasn't aware Hezbollah had permission to launch rockets in to Israel, or permits for those knife attacks. But I must be wrong, given how you argue that military actions have to be taken with the consent of the defender. It is nice to learn new things every day.

Well when Israel bombs the living day lights out of an entire population without declaration of war then the only really strong force (Hezbollah) does something about it.

Also how an you drop bombs on scores of civilians in a foreign nation for a knife attack? I mean seriously where's the logic there?

[Pasong Tirad]

I would have thought this would be about Israeli settlements - which are totally illegal, even the Israeli Supreme Court thinks so.

People seem to think they're defending their country, so okay?

[Slovenya]

I would have thought this would be about Israeli settlements - which are totally illegal, even the Israeli Supreme Court thinks so.

People seem to think they're defending their country, so okay?

That could be another thread, but in the end it begs the same question of why Israel can get away with pretty much anything in the world.

[Neo Balka]

Hmm, yknow, I wasn't aware Hezbollah had permission to launch rockets in to Israel, or permits for those knife attacks. But I must be wrong, given how you argue that military actions have to be taken with the consent of the defender. It is nice to learn new things every day.

Well when Israel bombs the living day lights out of an entire population without declaration of war then the only really strong force (Hezbollah) does something about it.

Also how an you drop bombs on scores of civilians in a foreign nation for a knife attack? I mean seriously where's the logic there?

Heres an idea, dont fucking stab anyone from nation that can wipe a city block from the map.

[Slovenya]

Heres an idea, dont fucking stab anyone from nation that can wipe a city block from the map.

Oh that's just idiotic. So if a Chinese guy stabs an American, should the US bomb China? Israeli logic is criminal in every way, makes me sick.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, yknow, I wasn't aware Hezbollah had permission to launch rockets in to Israel, or permits for those knife attacks. But I must be wrong, given how you argue that military actions have to be taken with the consent of the defender. It is nice to learn new things every day.

Well when Israel bombs the living day lights out of an entire population without declaration of war then the only really strong force (Hezbollah) does something about it.

Also how an you drop bombs on scores of civilians in a foreign nation for a knife attack? I mean seriously where's the logic there?

Oh yes. The dastardly Israelis just bomb entire populations for no rational. Luckily good old Hezbollah is there to stand up for the little guy and... fight for Bashar al-Assad?

I would love to see evidence proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Israel conducts retaliatory bombings after knife attacks, or car attacks, or for that matter gun attacks. This should be good. I'll wait.

[Euphisia]

Considering what happened during the holocaust and what little was done to prevent it, I'm not surprised nor upset about them taking extreme preventative action towards any existential threats.

[Pasong Tirad]

Considering what happened during the holocaust and what little was done to prevent it, I'm not surprised nor upset about them taking extreme preventative action towards any existential threats.

Definitely not surprising, but I'm not sure if being the main victim of the Holocaust gives them the right to oppress other people - I am, of course, talking about the Palestinians. Hezbollah, I'm not entirely sure - mainly because I'm not entirely sure what the conflict with Hezbollah is all about. It's way too confusing.

[Krasny-Volny]

The US and Europe do the exact same with the air support

the difference is that Russia is invited in Syria, and the US is [invited] in Iraq. Isreal isn't invited and doesn't cooperate with anyone when they act. They are like a bully in the region.

As far as Syria is concerned:

Turkey isn't invited by anyone either. Neither is Jordan.

Both countries routinely carry out air strikes in Syria. Israel is not alone in that regard.

[Crockerland]

Heres an idea, dont fucking stab anyone from nation that can wipe a city block from the map.

Oh that's just idiotic. So if a Chinese guy stabs an American, should the US bomb China? Israeli logic is criminal in every way, makes me sick.

If 9,567 Americans were killed every year by Chinese attacks (there were about 220 stabbings per year in Israel from 2000-2005, around 0.003% of Israel's population being killed off), which would exceed US losses of life in the Iraq War (4,498) and Afghanistan War (2,356) combined, and the Chinese government did little to nothing to stop the attacks, then yes, the US would be completely justified in bombing China.

[Pasong Tirad]

Oh that's just idiotic. So if a Chinese guy stabs an American, should the US bomb China? Israeli logic is criminal in every way, makes me sick.

If 9,567 Americans were killed every year by Chinese attacks (there were about 220 stabbings per year in Israel from 2000-2005, around 0.003% of Israel's population being killed off), which would exceed US losses of life in the Iraq War (4,498) and Afghanistan War (2,356) combined, and the Chinese government did little to nothing to stop the attacks, then yes, the US would be completely justified in bombing China.

So, because they killed innocents, you think it's justifiable to kill other innocents in retaliation? Very Old Testament of you.

[Onocarcass]

It's sad to say, but, just let the middle east blow itself up, then I guess use whatever is left to actually benefit someone.

[Nocturnalis]

Definitely not surprising, but I'm not sure if being the main victim of the Holocaust gives them the right to oppress other people - I am, of course, talking about the Palestinians.

Considering that these same people have made their intentions - to wipe out the State of Israel and exterminate its Jewish inhabitants - quite clear over the past few decades, I'd say that any and all Israeli action against them is more than justified.

[Pasong Tirad]

Definitely not surprising, but I'm not sure if being the main victim of the Holocaust gives them the right to oppress other people - I am, of course, talking about the Palestinians.

Considering that these same people have made their intentions - to wipe out the State of Israel and exterminate its Jewish inhabitants - quite clear over the past few decades, I'd say that any and all Israeli action against them is more than justified.

Considering that Palestinians believe themselves to be the rightful owners of this land, I'd say they have around an equal (if not bigger) claim. I don't think it's as simple as "you hate us so we'll bomb the shit outta your innocent civilians."

[New Axiom]

So a country is impeding its enemies ability to wage war by doing stuff America does regularly, and you want them condemned.

Got it.

[Thermodolia]

The US and Europe do the exact same with the air support

the difference is that Russia is invited in Syria, and the US is [invited] in Iraq. Isreal isn't invited and doesn't cooperate with anyone when they act. They are like a bully in the region.

We fly sorties over Syria and aren't exactly invited. Case dismissed. Next!!

[Thermodolia]

Hmm, yknow, I wasn't aware Hezbollah had permission to launch rockets in to Israel, or permits for those knife attacks. But I must be wrong, given how you argue that military actions have to be taken with the consent of the defender. It is nice to learn new things every day.

Well when Israel bombs the living day lights out of an entire population without declaration of war then the only really strong force (Hezbollah) does something about it.

Also how an you drop bombs on scores of civilians in a foreign nation for a knife attack? I mean seriously where's the logic there?

Maybe hezbollah shouldn't put their camps, headquarters, and rocket encampments in know civilian areas. Like hospitals and shit.