Mine too!
She's in the American left, ergo left-wing.
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by The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:01 pm
by Neu Leonstein » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:02 pm
The Wolven League wrote:You mean the frustrated young men who want to be edgy and different and so decide to call for the heads of the bourgeoisie?
by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:02 pm
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by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:03 pm
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by The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:03 pm
Liriena wrote:Free speech does not mean anything and everything is allowed if it's "just an opinion".
by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:05 pm
Napkiraly wrote:Liriena wrote:If we were speaking of communists in general? No. Unlike white supremacism, nazism or radical Islamism, communism is awfully broad, and unless the communists in question were, say inciting violence or hatred towards a religious or ethnic group, or an entire gender or sexual orientation, or people of a specific national origin, or foreigners in general... Last I checked, hate crimes and hate speech has traditional referred to groups that communism as a whole doesn't really target, although some specific communist movements and regimes have. I am not aware of the definition of hate crime or hate speech ever including crimes committed against "the bourgeois" or incitement to kill "the capitalist pigs" (in order words, crime or speech targeting a socioeconomic class). If you are proposing that such an inclusion be made, we can talk about it.
More importantly, however, it has ocurred to me that your question was not phrased all that fairly, insofar as you've presented the issue as penalizing entire ideologies, which is not quite what most hate crime and hate speech legislation aims to do. Rather, such legislation tends to focus on the groups that the crime or speech targets, not the general worldview of the one targeting said groups. Granted, I personally have been speaking in terms of depriving extremists of the tools to radicalize vulnerable individuals online.
I would certainly advocate that promoting the destruction of certain socioeconomic classes ought to be considered hate speech as long as such laws exist.
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by Neu Leonstein » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:06 pm
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Yeah it does.
by Amudarya » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:07 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Yeah it does.
If it does, then free speech literally doesn't exist anywhere on earth. Certainly not in the US.
by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:08 pm
The Wolven League wrote:Liriena wrote:If we were speaking of communists in general? No. Unlike white supremacism, nazism or radical Islamism, communism is awfully broad, and unless the communists in question were, say inciting violence or hatred towards a religious or ethnic group, or an entire gender or sexual orientation, or people of a specific national origin, or foreigners in general... Last I checked, hate crimes and hate speech has traditional referred to groups that communism as a whole doesn't really target, although some specific communist movements and regimes have. I am not aware of the definition of hate crime or hate speech ever including crimes committed against "the bourgeois" or incitement to kill "the capitalist pigs" (in order words, crime or speech targeting a socioeconomic class). If you are proposing that such an inclusion be made, we can talk about it.
More importantly, however, it has ocurred to me that your question was not phrased all that fairly, insofar as you've presented the issue as penalizing entire ideologies, which is not quite what most hate crime and hate speech legislation aims to do. Rather, such legislation tends to focus on the groups that the crime or speech targets, not the general worldview of the one targeting said groups. Granted, I personally have been speaking in terms of depriving extremists of the tools to radicalize vulnerable individuals online.
"Radical" Islamism is redundant. Islamism is a vile, radical ideology on its own.
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by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:10 pm
The Wolven League wrote:Amudarya wrote:
Yep. And they recruit from the same pool of frustrated young men without much going for them. The same kind of person who is attracted to Islamism in one society is probably posting Pepe images on twitter in another.
You mean the frustrated young men who want to be edgy and different and so decide to call for the heads of the bourgeoisie?
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by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:11 pm
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by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:14 pm
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by The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:15 pm
Neu Leonstein wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Yeah it does.
If it does, then free speech literally doesn't exist anywhere on earth. Certainly not in the US.
Liriena wrote:Napkiraly wrote:I would certainly advocate that promoting the destruction of certain socioeconomic classes ought to be considered hate speech as long as such laws exist.
You can certainly advocate for that, and as left-wing as I may be, that does not mean I'm keen on any talk about systematically exterminating a broad group of people. But as far as I can tell, socioeconomic class is not explicitly included in any definitions for hate crimes or hate speech.
by The Wolven League » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:15 pm
Liriena wrote:The Wolven League wrote:"Radical" Islamism is redundant. Islamism is a vile, radical ideology on its own.
That's your opinion, not an established fact. And furthermore it's the exact sort of simplistic and unhelpful opinion that plays a part in creating the sort of hostile environment in which vulnerable youth end up feeling drawn towards violent extremism.
So congrats, your edgy simplism will surely make the world a better place.
by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:17 pm
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:She's in the American left, ergo left-wing.
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by Liriena » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:18 pm
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by Amudarya » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:18 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:18 pm
by Neo Balka » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:19 pm
Amudarya wrote:Liriena wrote:I'm sorry, but America doesn't get to be the special snowflake of political spectrums. We already tolerate your silliness towards the metric system.
Clinton is in the Blue quadrant of the political compass. Left Wingers are those in either the Red or the Green quadrants.
by Amudarya » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:23 pm
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