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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:30 pm

Amudarya wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:In my experience, the far-left and Islamists tend to team up not the Islamists and far-right.


Tell that to the YPG/YPJ, who have killed more Islamists than any right-wing group.

Because it's illegal to kill people who aren't waging literal jihad in most countries.
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Postby Neo Balka » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:31 pm



I trust the guardian as far as i can throw Amy schumer.

which is not that far.
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
in this day and age it's both.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:31 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Liriena wrote:Sargon of Akkad is a "liberal" in the same way that Steve Bannon is a "leninist". Forgive me if I don't take that shallow Trump shill's claim of liberalism seriously.

Then surely you also hate the Amazing Athiest, an athiest, left-anarchist pothead who consistently rails against political correctness and endorsed Trump?

Tbh I hate the Amazing Atheist but that is because I find him annoying. I really only like Armored Skeptic and Some Black Guy. The rest are just as annoying as those they rail against.

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Postby Amudarya » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:32 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Amudarya wrote:
Tell that to the YPG/YPJ, who have killed more Islamists than any right-wing group.

Ah the same groups that had former volunteers banned from speaking by my former uni's student union which was a union led by Islamists and far-left ideologues.


Sounds like an alliance of Islamists and tankies to me.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:32 pm


Yes, the right is just as guilty at times. But long ago, if conservative students had shut down pro-LGBT speakers, far-left speakers, etc from speaking the left would have lost it and been bringing up the issue of right to free speech.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:33 pm


It's the Guardian. Why would I trust them when it comes to opinionated pieces? Or for that matter, news in general? I only linked them in the OP because I wanted to prove that even leftist outlets were reporting on it.
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:33 pm

Amudarya wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Ah the same groups that had former volunteers banned from speaking by my former uni's student union which was a union led by Islamists and far-left ideologues.


Sounds like an alliance of Islamists and tankies to me.

In other words, the far-left.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:33 pm

Napkiraly wrote:

Yes, the right is just as guilty at times. But long ago, if conservative students had shut down pro-LGBT speakers, far-left speakers, etc from speaking the left would have lost it and been bringing up the issue of right to free speech.

Exactly. The roles have been flipped.
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby New Werpland » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:33 pm

Proctopeo wrote:

>theguardian

Yes, you might have seen it used in the op.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:34 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>theguardian

Yes, you might have seen it used in the op.

See: My response
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:34 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>theguardian

Yes, you might have seen it used in the op.


Outlets are only valid when they support the conservative narrative.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:34 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>theguardian

Yes, you might have seen it used in the op.

PaNTuXIa wrote:I only linked them in the OP because I wanted to prove that even leftist outlets were reporting on it.
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Postby New Werpland » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:34 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Yes, the right is just as guilty at times. But long ago, if conservative students had shut down pro-LGBT speakers, far-left speakers, etc from speaking the left would have lost it and been bringing up the issue of right to free speech.

Exactly. The roles have been flipped.

Germany has been crushing the "free speech" of Nazis since their modern republic was formed.

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Postby The Wolven League » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:35 pm

Vassenor wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Yes, you might have seen it used in the op.


Outlets are only valid when they support the conservative narrative.

Outlets are only valid when they're neutral.
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Postby Amudarya » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:35 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Amudarya wrote:
Tell that to the YPG/YPJ, who have killed more Islamists than any right-wing group.

Because it's illegal to kill people who aren't waging literal jihad in most countries.


...and your point is what, exactly?

My point is that it's a far left, feminist militia who is actually the one fighting (and winning) against the Islamist menace, not a bunch of alt-righters.
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Postby New Werpland » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:35 pm

PaNTuXIa wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Yes, you might have seen it used in the op.

See: My response

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:36 pm

Also I guess we can add "your article is invalid because of where it was published" to the list of things that is only OK when conservatives do it.
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Postby Neo Balka » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:36 pm

New Werpland wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:Exactly. The roles have been flipped.

Germany has been crushing the "free speech" of Nazis since their modern republic was formed.


But will certainly let islamists spout their bullshit.

Germany shouldve not been allowed to reform.
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
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Postby Amudarya » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:37 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Amudarya wrote:
Sounds like an alliance of Islamists and tankies to me.

In other words, the far-left.


It may shock you to learn this, but the "far left" is not a monolith. I'm a democratic confederalist, not a Stalinist.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:37 pm

Vassenor wrote:Also I guess we can add "your article is invalid because of where it was published" to the list of things that is only OK when conservatives do it.

PaNTuXIa wrote:I only linked them in the OP because I wanted to prove that even leftist outlets were reporting on it.

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Postby Neo Balka » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:37 pm

Amudarya wrote:
The Wolven League wrote:Because it's illegal to kill people who aren't waging literal jihad in most countries.


...and your point is what, exactly?

My point is that it's a far left, feminist militia who is actually the one fighting (and winning) against the Islamist menace, not a bunch of alt-righters.


>feminism
>middle east

Oh god.

Please stop.
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
in this day and age it's both.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:37 pm

Neo Balka wrote:But will certainly let islamists spout their bullshit.


Let's see your source.
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Postby Neo Balka » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:37 pm

Amudarya wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:In other words, the far-left.


It may shock you to learn this, but the "far left" is not a monolith. I'm a democratic confederalist, not a Stalinist.


what
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
in this day and age it's both.
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