The Death of Free Speech in Europe

[Liriena]

All of this "free speech/censorship" blather is nothing but loaded questions. Coming from the same group of people who had collective meltdowns over the content of video game journalism and the cast of a Ghostbusters reboot.

The fact is the media is at this point saturated with people whining about the tyranny of political correctness, and it has been for decades now. The volume and tenor of those complaints has only increased in the last several years. That alone disproves the argument that free speech is somehow under attack.

Cant wait to suck and fuck my way to positive reviews.

A Zoë Quinn reference? It's 2017 already. Let her go gently into that good night.

[Amudarya]

I'm so sorry I actually give a fuck about my nation's identity and culture. I'm sorry I don't want foreigners that have been shown time and time again to commit more crime and rape to come to my country.

I'm sorry that you too have fallen prey to far right radicalization and played into the hands of Islamic extremists.

They're really birds of a feather, the alt-right and the Islamists. They both hate so many of the same things. Definitely ISIS doesn't stand for any feminist video games, I'll tell you that right now.

[Napkiraly]

I'm so sorry I actually give a fuck about my nation's identity and culture. I'm sorry I don't want foreigners that have been shown time and time again to commit more crime and rape to come to my country.

Well that sounds like something you can provide actual data for.

It varies from country to country and varies among different immigrant groups. For instance, iirc, in Denmark its the Lebanese, Turks, Pakistani and Yugoslavs that have incredibly high crime rates compared to the national average while Americans and Chinese immigrants are below the national average.

[Liriena]

All of this "free speech/censorship" blather is nothing but loaded questions. Coming from the same group of people who had collective meltdowns over the content of video game journalism and the cast of a Ghostbusters reboot.

The fact is the media is at this point saturated with people whining about the tyranny of political correctness, and it has been for decades now. The volume and tenor of those complaints has only increased in the last several years. That alone disproves the argument that free speech is somehow under attack.

No, the media is overwhelmingly left-wing.

here are some mainstream left-wing outlets:
CNN
MSNBC
ABC
PBS
NPR
Daily Dot
.Mic
Salon
BuzzFeed
HuffPost
Here are some mainstream right-wing outlets:
Fox News
National Review
Daily Caller
Breitbart
See how that dwarfs in comparison?

Since when is .Mic "mainstream? And since when is CNN left-wing? Do you have any idea how much many American leftists despise CNN?

How did you compile this list, exactly?

[Napkiraly]

In my experience, the far-left and Islamists tend to team up not the Islamists and far-right.

[Vassenor]

[STAND BY]

[Liriena]

Except that's false. Didn't you read your own articles?

Germany’s justice minister has proposed a law that could lead to social networks such as Facebook being hit with heavy fines if they fail to remove illegal hate speech from their sites.

Yes, he proposed that law. It's not a law yet. Also... exactly what is wrong with hitting a website with fines if it fails to review, report and remove blatantly illegal content at an appropriate pace?

[Vassenor]

In my experience, the far-left and Islamists tend to team up not the Islamists and far-right.

That time ISIS publicly praised Trump's election notwithstanding.

[Napkiraly]

OP, it would have been better to use the recent blasphemy law case in Denmark to make your point tbh. That case is just...Jesus.

[Liriena]

All of this "free speech/censorship" blather is nothing but loaded questions. Coming from the same group of people who had collective meltdowns over the content of video game journalism and the cast of a Ghostbusters reboot.

The fact is the media is at this point saturated with people whining about the tyranny of political correctness, and it has been for decades now. The volume and tenor of those complaints has only increased in the last several years. That alone disproves the argument that free speech is somehow under attack.

The media is biased towards... the right? Is that what you're suggesting?

Oh, boy, haven't had such a good laugh in eons.

Since the bulk of mass media is owned by a handful of large private conglomerates who most definitely love the concept of money and capitalism in general and clearly weren't too keen on Bernie Sanders, let alone Jill Stein or Gloria La Riva...

[PaNTuXIa]

Funny how no one says Israel, Japan, China, or Korea need open borders, huh?

I'm against all borders, including ones in East Asia.

You do know diversity and multiculturalism destroys social trust, right?
http://www.asanet.org/ethnic-diversity- ... ro-context

[Amudarya]

Since when is .Mic "mainstream? And since when is CNN left-wing? Do you have any idea how much many American leftists despise CNN?

You see, right-wingers make no distinction between their ideological opponents. There's just a vast undifferentiated majority of people they refer to as "liberals" or "The Left" or "Indoctrinated Cultural Marxists" or whatever buzzword they're using these to days to talk about people who are not right-wingers. Grouping everyone together this way makes them feel more like a besieged minority, as if the entire world is engaged in a conspiracy against them.

[Napkiraly]

In my experience, the far-left and Islamists tend to team up not the Islamists and far-right.

That time ISIS publicly praised Trump's election notwithstanding.

That's not teaming up, that's thinking he'll be an unintentional and indirect boon to their narrative and movement.

[PaNTuXIa]

Germany’s justice minister has proposed a law that could lead to social networks such as Facebook being hit with heavy fines if they fail to remove illegal hate speech from their sites.

Yes, he proposed that law. It's not a law yet. Also... exactly what is wrong with hitting a website with fines if it fails to review, report and remove blatantly illegal content at an appropriate pace?

It shouldn't be illegal. Opinions should not be illegal.

[Proctopeo]

Germany’s justice minister has proposed a law that could lead to social networks such as Facebook being hit with heavy fines if they fail to remove illegal hate speech from their sites.

Yes, he proposed that law. It's not a law yet. Also... exactly what is wrong with hitting a website with fines if it fails to review, report and remove blatantly illegal content at an appropriate pace?

If the website is hosted in the United States, would it not have to only follow the laws of the United States, not laws in other countries?

Facebook, for instance, would only have to follow Swedish law sometimes.

Since when is .Mic "mainstream? And since when is CNN left-wing? Do you have any idea how much many American leftists despise CNN?

You see, right-wingers make no distinction between their ideological opponents. There's just a vast undifferentiated majority of people they refer to as "liberals" or "The Left" or "Indoctrinated Cultural Marxists" or whatever buzzword they're using these to days to talk about people who are not right-wingers. Grouping everyone together this way makes them feel more like a besieged minority, as if the entire world is engaged in a conspiracy against them.

Same could be said for left-wingers. But I won't, because generalizations are often rude, and often wrong as well.

[Amudarya]

In my experience, the far-left and Islamists tend to team up not the Islamists and far-right.

Tell that to the YPG/YPJ, who have killed more Islamists than any right-wing group.

[Liriena]

About the same difference between Gary Johnson and a neo-nazi: a yuuuuuuge one.

The only actual "liberals" that exist today are people like Sargon of Akkad, who are regularly called "neo-nazis" because they aren't ultra-left.

Sargon of Akkad is a "liberal" in the same way that Steve Bannon is a "leninist". Forgive me if I don't take that shallow Trump shill's claim of liberalism seriously.

[The Wolven League]

The media is biased towards... the right? Is that what you're suggesting?

Oh, boy, haven't had such a good laugh in eons.

Since the bulk of mass media is owned by a handful of large private conglomerates who most definitely love the concept of money and capitalism in general and clearly weren't too keen on Bernie Sanders, let alone Jill Stein or Gloria La Riva...

Yet they all were quick to hop on Clinton's bandwagon.

[Liriena]

Going to their methodology even shows how such requirements could even end up eroding freedom of the press, via self-censorship and reducing pluralism. https://rsf.org/en/detailed-methodology

A fair point.

[Proctopeo]

The only actual "liberals" that exist today are people like Sargon of Akkad, who are regularly called "neo-nazis" because they aren't ultra-left.

Sargon of Akkad is a "liberal" in the same way that Steve Bannon is a "leninist". Forgive me if I don't take that shallow Trump shill's claim of liberalism seriously.

[The Wolven League]

The only actual "liberals" that exist today are people like Sargon of Akkad, who are regularly called "neo-nazis" because they aren't ultra-left.

Sargon of Akkad is a "liberal" in the same way that Steve Bannon is a "leninist". Forgive me if I don't take that shallow Trump shill's claim of liberalism seriously.

Then surely you also hate the Amazing Athiest, an athiest, left-anarchist pothead who consistently rails against political correctness and endorsed Trump?

[PaNTuXIa]

The media is biased towards... the right? Is that what you're suggesting?

Oh, boy, haven't had such a good laugh in eons.

Since the bulk of mass media is owned by a handful of large private conglomerates who most definitely love the concept of money and capitalism in general and clearly weren't too keen on Bernie Sanders, let alone Jill Stein or Gloria La Riva...

Exactly. And why do you think that was?

Because the media and establishment despise both the populist anti-establishment left and right.

Besides, Stein and La Riva both endorsed Clinton .

[Napkiraly]

In my experience, the far-left and Islamists tend to team up not the Islamists and far-right.

Tell that to the YPG/YPJ, who have killed more Islamists than any right-wing group.

Ah the same groups that had former volunteers banned from speaking by my former uni's student union which was a union led by Islamists and far-left ideologues.

[Neo Balka]

In my experience, the far-left and Islamists tend to team up not the Islamists and far-right.

That time ISIS publicly praised Trump's election notwithstanding.

Chaos nearly fucking killed Crazy Abe, they have certainly plenty of shit to laugh about.

[Napkiraly]

The only actual "liberals" that exist today are people like Sargon of Akkad, who are regularly called "neo-nazis" because they aren't ultra-left.

Sargon of Akkad is a "liberal" in the same way that Steve Bannon is a "leninist". Forgive me if I don't take that shallow Trump shill's claim of liberalism seriously.

He's more of a classical liberal.