The Fat Tax

[The United Republic of New Britannia]

The Government has no legitimate interest in any such a thing, NO MATTER WHAT period, at all whatsoever.
Bar none.
What people eat and drink is cultural and/or could be.

They do since the government is the one who has to deal with the healthcare costs of a person being obese. They are the ones who have to deal with having a citizenry who is too fat to be able to defend itself or join the military should the need for a draft ever occur again. Smoking a pipe or a cigarette can be cultural, that does not mean the government does not have a legitimate reason to tax it.

First of all the Government's job isn't healthcare.
And even in countries where it is, doesn't mean that they punish practitioners of the local culture.

The Government's job is to the people not have the people kowtow to them.

As for a Military, I would say that Latin Europe would today beat the hell out of Northern Europe.... based on many factors including the level of Military technology.

[Neutraligon]

The Government has no legitimate interest in any such a thing, NO MATTER WHAT period, at all whatsoever.
Bar none.

...as long as everyone bears the cost of their own medical expenses, anyway. When one person's quadruple bypass surgery is paid for out of taxpayer pockets instead of his or her own, then the public has an interest in reducing the burden that these fatasses place on the taxpayers. But that's just a good reason to keep government out of health care.

If that person is unable to afford that quadruple bypass...who do you think ends up paying? You do since all hospitals have a requirement to treat emergency patients. The cost of that gets passed on to you in the form of the price of treatment for you as well as in insurance prices.

[Katie Boundary]

In any case, the Government has no business in my mouth.

Now let's not go that far. I wouldn't mind if Ivanka Trump had some business in my mouth.

Ivanka Trump is not a member of or employed by any government.

[Katie Boundary]

If that person is unable to afford that quadruple bypass...who do you think ends up paying? You do since all hospitals have a requirement to treat emergency patients. The cost of that gets passed on to you in the form of the price of treatment for you as well as in insurance prices.

All the more reason to repeal EMTALA

[Olthar]

Now let's not go that far. I wouldn't mind if Ivanka Trump had some business in my mouth.

Ivanka Trump is not a member of or employed by any government.

It's a joke. No need to analyze it.

[Neutraligon]

They do since the government is the one who has to deal with the healthcare costs of a person being obese. They are the ones who have to deal with having a citizenry who is too fat to be able to defend itself or join the military should the need for a draft ever occur again. Smoking a pipe or a cigarette can be cultural, that does not mean the government does not have a legitimate reason to tax it.

First of all the Government's job isn't healthcare.

The government has no choice but to be involved in healthcare considering that the health of the nation directly effects it's ability to defend itself and support itself fiscally.

And even in countries where it is, doesn't mean that they punish practitioners of the local culture.

So reduce portion size if you want to save money. This is not attacking local cultures, this is dealing with a health problem.

The Government's job is to the people not have the people kowtow to them.

This is doing it's job to the people and not forcing people to kowtow.

[Wealthatonia]

It is in no way discrimination because being fat is something a person can change easily with diet and exercise, being fat is not a race, it is not a religion, it SHOULD NOT be a lifestyle, there are more people overweight than there are starving, that's pretty sad in my opinion

[AiliailiA]

The Government has no legitimate interest in any such a thing, NO MATTER WHAT period, at all whatsoever.
Bar none.
What people eat and drink is cultural and/or could be.

They do since the government is the one who has to deal with the healthcare costs of a person being obese.

I do not like this answer.

People who oppose public health care, for whatever reason, will seize apon that answer and characterize all public health care as removing individual choice.

How about this instead: individual good health contributes to the common happiness, not just economically but in preventing bereavement and in protecting the health of others (ie, from infections). Protecting the common happiness (the "welfare") is an enumerated power of the federal government, and so it goes. OK?

[The United Republic of New Britannia]

First of all the Government's job isn't healthcare.

The government has no choice but to be involved in healthcare considering that the health of the nation directly effects it's ability to defend itself and support itself fiscally.

And even in countries where it is, doesn't mean that they punish practitioners of the local culture.

So reduce portion size if you want to save money. This is not attacking local cultures, this is dealing with a health problem.

The Government's job is to the people not have the people kowtow to them.

This is doing it's job to the people and not forcing people to kowtow.

A taxation on our culture is having us kowtow to them.
And the Government also has no business talking about portion sizes either.

[Neutraligon]

If that person is unable to afford that quadruple bypass...who do you think ends up paying? You do since all hospitals have a requirement to treat emergency patients. The cost of that gets passed on to you in the form of the price of treatment for you as well as in insurance prices.

All the more reason to repeal EMTALA

At which point you pay in other ways. Or did you think that unhealthy workers do not affect you? Unhealthy workers are less productive, which means that prices on goods will likely go up as there are fewer of those goods. Unhealthy people means that the spread of disease is all the more likely. People dying because they are not being treated simply because they are poor will likely lead to revolts, which is not good for the nation. No matter what you will end up paying.

[The United Republic of New Britannia]

It is in no way discrimination because being fat is something a person can change easily with diet and exercise, being fat is not a race, it is not a religion, it SHOULD NOT be a lifestyle, there are more people overweight than there are starving, that's pretty sad in my opinion

And somebody's choices, or consequence of choices is none of your business either.
Welcome to Freedom.

[AiliailiA]

It is in no way discrimination because being fat is something a person can change easily with diet and exercise ...

I've never had to lose a lot of weight, by diet and exercise ... but I'm pretty sure it's not "easy". Have you ever done it?

[Neutraligon]

The government has no choice but to be involved in healthcare considering that the health of the nation directly effects it's ability to defend itself and support itself fiscally.
So reduce portion size if you want to save money. This is not attacking local cultures, this is dealing with a health problem.

This is doing it's job to the people and not forcing people to kowtow.

A taxation on our culture is having us kowtow to them.

Your culture is not being taxed.

And the Government also has no business talking about portion sizes either.

The portion size was a way of reducing the amount of say sugar a restaurant or people need to buy and thus the cost of those foods. It isn't the government talking about portion sizes.

[Neutraligon]

It is in no way discrimination because being fat is something a person can change easily with diet and exercise, being fat is not a race, it is not a religion, it SHOULD NOT be a lifestyle, there are more people overweight than there are starving, that's pretty sad in my opinion

And somebody's choices, or consequence of choices is none of your business either.
Welcome to Freedom.

They are when they effect my bottom line and my health.
Welcome to living in a society.

[Olthar]

It is in no way discrimination because being fat is something a person can change easily with diet and exercise, being fat is not a race, it is not a religion, it SHOULD NOT be a lifestyle, there are more people overweight than there are starving, that's pretty sad in my opinion

Can change? Yes. Easily? Not necessarily. The main reason so many people are overweight is because the cheapest food available is massively unhealthy. I guarantee you most fat people would like to stop being fat, but healthy food is an expense they can't afford. The best way to reverse this is to subsidize healthy foods rather than taxing unhealthy ones. The latter is simply a cruel punishment for the crime of being poor.

[The United Republic of New Britannia]

A taxation on our culture is having us kowtow to them.

Your culture is not being taxed.

And the Government also has no business talking about portion sizes either.

The portion size was a way of reducing the amount of say sugar a restaurant or people need to buy and thus the cost of those foods. It isn't the government talking about portion sizes.

Listen to me very carefully.
FUCK THE GOVERNMENT.
it has NO business, NONE in ANYBDOY'S MOUTH, AT ALL PERIOD !
For ANYTHING.
Get the FUCK out of my Mouth !

[Neutraligon]

Your culture is not being taxed.
The portion size was a way of reducing the amount of say sugar a restaurant or people need to buy and thus the cost of those foods. It isn't the government talking about portion sizes.

Listen to me very carefully.
FUCK THHE GOVERNMENT.
it has NO business, NONE in ANYBDOY'S MOUTH, AT ALL PERIOD !
For ANYTHING.
Get the FUCK out of my Mouth !

Listen to me.
To damned bad.
It is their business because they are the ones being harmed. Because they are the ones who have to pay for your obesity. Because they are the ones who have to deal with obesity related deaths. THe government is perfectly within it's rights to tax you.

[The United Republic of New Britannia]

Listen to me very carefully.
FUCK THHE GOVERNMENT.
it has NO business, NONE in ANYBDOY'S MOUTH, AT ALL PERIOD !
For ANYTHING.
Get the FUCK out of my Mouth !

Listen to me.
To damned bad.
It is their business because they are the ones being harmed. Because they are the ones who have to pay for your obesity. Because they are the ones who have to deal with obesity related deaths.

No its not too damn bad... its only too damn bad the Government is hurt.
The Government is hurt by its very nature every time it can't dictate.

Now you're getting the fuck out of the mouth or I'll fucking rip you the fuck out of my mouth.
The Government doesn't pay a motherfucking thing.
That's my motherfucking money that pays their salary.
Fuck them.

And the courts will fix their communist asses.

[Ethel mermania]

yes, except ours was rolled back by the local judiciary

Which is probably what will happen here

remember judges like to rule on narrow grounds, bloomberg did it via a health dept order, or a city law, (i dont remember) in NYS only the state legislature can approve a tax, and this was not the case so the tax was illegal.

i dont know how the law works in that regards in PA.

[Wealthatonia]

Your culture is not being taxed.
The portion size was a way of reducing the amount of say sugar a restaurant or people need to buy and thus the cost of those foods. It isn't the government talking about portion sizes.

Listen to me very carefully.
FUCK THE GOVERNMENT.
it has NO business, NONE in ANYBDOY'S MOUTH, AT ALL PERIOD !
For ANYTHING.
Get the FUCK out of my Mouth !

Wow, you don't use any kind of education when writing, you're not going to convince many people.

[AiliailiA]

Your culture is not being taxed.
The portion size was a way of reducing the amount of say sugar a restaurant or people need to buy and thus the cost of those foods. It isn't the government talking about portion sizes.

Listen to me very carefully....

Not if you're going to shout.

Forget about countering every post, that way lies failure to effectively counter ANY of them. As the OP ... and having from the start made a simplistic and hysterical argument ... you're going to get a lot of criticism and also some mockery.

Whether that causes you to blow your top and infringe the site rules, is up to you.

[Ethel mermania]

They do since the government is the one who has to deal with the healthcare costs of a person being obese.

I do not like this answer.

People who oppose public health care, for whatever reason, will seize apon that answer and characterize all public health care as removing individual choice.

How about this instead: individual good health contributes to the common happiness, not just economically but in preventing bereavement and in protecting the health of others (ie, from infections). Protecting the common happiness (the "welfare") is an enumerated power of the federal government, and so it goes. OK?

i dont think the courts will go for taking sugar out of a can a coke as an enumerated power of the federal goverment, yet they feel that way about cocaine. weird

[Neutraligon]

Listen to me.
To damned bad.
It is their business because they are the ones being harmed. Because they are the ones who have to pay for your obesity. Because they are the ones who have to deal with obesity related deaths.

No its not too damn bad... its only too damn bad the Government is hurt.
The Government is hurt by its very nature every time it can't dictate.

Now you're getting the fuck out of the mouth or I'll fucking rip you the fuck out of my mouth.
The Government doesn't pay a motherfucking thing.
That's my motherfucking money that pays their salary.
Fuck them.

And the courts will fix their communist asses.

Yes it is to bad for you, the government has the right to tax, and the government has a legitimate interest in the health of the people living within it's borders.

The government does pay, a lot actually. Why do you think the government pays attention to healthcare? They pay every time a person who is unable to afford goes to the hospital. THey pay when it comes to the reduction of productivity. They pay when it comes to things like death due to obesity. They pay when it comes to caring for children in schools who are obese. They pay when they are unable to find healthy soldiers to defend the nation.

The government has the right to tax, so what exactly can the courts do about it? Also, communist, hahahaha learn what communism is.

[The United Republic of New Britannia]

We don't operate in America based on the government being the victim.
Fuck the Government !
That's America, the land of the free.

[The United Republic of New Britannia]

No its not too damn bad... its only too damn bad the Government is hurt.
The Government is hurt by its very nature every time it can't dictate.

Now you're getting the fuck out of the mouth or I'll fucking rip you the fuck out of my mouth.
The Government doesn't pay a motherfucking thing.
That's my motherfucking money that pays their salary.
Fuck them.

And the courts will fix their communist asses.

Yes it is to bad for you, the government has the right to tax, and the government has a legitimate interest in the health of the people living within it's borders.

The government does pay, a lot actually. Why do you think the government pays attention to healthcare? They pay every time a person who is unable to afford goes to the hospital. THey pay when it comes to the reduction of productivity. They pay when it comes to things like death due to obesity. They pay when it comes to caring for children in schools who are obese. They pay when they are unable to find healthy soldiers to defend the nation.

The government has the right to tax, so what exactly can the courts do about it? Also, communist, hahahaha learn what communism is.

Not unequally it doesn't.
fuck you.
And we're going challenge this, and we will in Philadelphia just as we did in New York, and if you don't like it, get the fuck out of America and suck on my motherfucking dick bitch boy.
Fuck you !