Dutch-Turkish tension: Kebabic Boogaloo

[The Shaman]

Dutch Turks really need to choose - either keep your Turkish passport and go back to Turkey or keep your Dutch passport and hand over your Turkish one.

[Olivaero]

Dutch Turks really need to choose - either keep your Turkish passport and go back to Turkey or keep your Dutch passport and hand over your Turkish one.

No, they don't.

[Alvecia]

If that happens, I would rather end my life rather than suffer the horrors of that war, if it happens.

Unless someone helped me move to a neutral country.

A war would be very surprising, the Dutch and turks have quite the trade relationship going, I don't think anyone on either side wants to affect that.

There's also actually a lot of stuff in between them

[The Shaman]

Dutch Turks really need to choose - either keep your Turkish passport and go back to Turkey or keep your Dutch passport and hand over your Turkish one.

No, they don't.

*argument needed*

[Olivaero]

No, they don't.

*argument needed*

Yeah you're right, you do need an argument to support your initial statement.

[Hurdergaryp]

I really love how the Wannabe Sultan is so triggered by Wilders NOT winning the elections.

While he actually won impressively. His party gained seats, many other parties have taken a firmer anti-Islam stance than before, the left wing party he dislikes the most has been slaughtered and, most importantly, he placed himself in a position where he has no responsibility and does not actually have to carry out his single page programme without any plans.

Wilders will be merrily twittering for years to come, while other politicians actually work in order to get things done.

[The Shaman]

*argument needed*

Yeah you're right, you do need an argument to support your initial statement.

Well, so that they are not under influence of Erdogan ofcourse, ie by Turkish law.

Now you again.

[Alvecia]

Yeah you're right, you do need an argument to support your initial statement.

Well, so that they are not under influence of Erdogan ofcourse, ie by Turkish law.

Now you again.

Does holding a country's passport give said country any particular influence over you?

[The Shaman]

Well, so that they are not under influence of Erdogan ofcourse, ie by Turkish law.

Now you again.

Does holding a country's passport give said country any particular influence over you?

Yes, as you are a citizen of said country and therefore you are under influence of law in said country more than a foreigner.

[Alvecia]

Does holding a country's passport give said country any particular influence over you?

Yes, as you are a citizen of said country and therefore you are under influence of law in said country more than a foreigner.

Surely only while within said country?

[Olivaero]

Yeah you're right, you do need an argument to support your initial statement.

Well, so that they are not under influence of Erdogan ofcourse, ie by Turkish law.

Now you again.

It's very hard to be under the influence of a countries laws whilst your not in said country, dual citizenship has worked for most places in the world for a while now, why suddenly change the system? The people who want to riot will riot regardless of holding citizenship in Turkey as they object to the Dutch governments handling of the affair not because they are Turkish citizens.

[Nuxor Abnim]

Turkey really should just be partitioned between a People's Republic of Kurdistan and a People's Republic of Hellas. No reason for Turkey to keep existing at all.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, so that they are not under influence of Erdogan ofcourse, ie by Turkish law.

Now you again.

Does holding a country's passport give said country any particular influence over you?

Erdogan certainly believes Dutch Turks should serve in the Turkish army, yes.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, so that they are not under influence of Erdogan ofcourse, ie by Turkish law.

Now you again.

It's very hard to be under the influence of a countries laws whilst your not in said country

Technically true, unless said country has subtle ways to exert control.
So how is your old gran back in Turkey doing. Still getting her pension and medical aid for AKP ? Nicrnice. Shame if that would end because you do not kneel before the law of Erdogan.

[Alvecia]

Does holding a country's passport give said country any particular influence over you?

Erdogan certainly believes Dutch Turks should serve in the Turkish army, yes.

Shouldn't be a problem if they stay in the Netherlands, right?

[Alvecia]

It's very hard to be under the influence of a countries laws whilst your not in said country

Technically true, unless said country has subtle ways to exert control.
So how is your old gran back in Turkey doing. Still getting her pension and medical aid for AKP ? Nicrnice. Shame if that would end because you do not kneel before the law of Erdogan.

That's probably true regardless of whether you have dual citizenship or not though.

[The Alma Mater]

Erdogan certainly believes Dutch Turks should serve in the Turkish army, yes.

Shouldn't be a problem if they stay in the Netherlands, right?

Becomes a problem when one wants to visit Turkey.

[Alvecia]

Shouldn't be a problem if they stay in the Netherlands, right?

Becomes a problem when one wants to visit Turkey.

Dunno that one would want to if you knew you'd be forcibly conscripted once you arrive.

[Olivaero]

Technically true, unless said country has subtle ways to exert control.
So how is your old gran back in Turkey doing. Still getting her pension and medical aid for AKP ? Nicrnice. Shame if that would end because you do not kneel before the law of Erdogan.

That's probably true regardless of whether you have dual citizenship or not though.

Exactly

[The Alma Mater]

Becomes a problem when one wants to visit Turkey.

Dunno that one would want to if you knew you'd be forcibly conscripted once you arrive.

Welcome to dual citizenship - keeping you from seeing your family or visiting your ancestral lands

[The Sauganash Union]

Dutch Turks really need to choose - either keep your Turkish passport and go back to Turkey or keep your Dutch passport and hand over your Turkish one.

Multiculturalism is great.

[The Shaman]

Yes, as you are a citizen of said country and therefore you are under influence of law in said country more than a foreigner.

Surely only while within said country?

No, while it is true that generally this is the case, I know from a Turkish friend that he cannot say certain things (near Turks, mind you) because he is a Turkish citizen.

Erdogan certainly believes Dutch Turks should serve in the Turkish army, yes.

Shouldn't be a problem if they stay in the Netherlands, right?

Yes, but that means they cannot see family in Turkey etc. Basically they're exiled.

That's probably true regardless of whether you have dual citizenship or not though.

Exactly

No, some laws apply for citizens only and not for foreigners in Turkey.

[The Shaman]

Movements against basic national interests

ARTICLE 303-(1) Any citizen who directly or indirectly secures tangible benefit for himself or others from foreigners or foreign institutions with the aim of taking action against the basic national interests, or any other similar reason, is punished with imprisonment from three years to ten years, and also imposed punitive fine up to ten thousand days.

Note this with Erdogan basically saying anything against him is against national interest and you get what I mean.

Note that this explicitly is aimed against citizens. Forcing Turkish citizens to give up their nationality is not ONLY safeguarding their rights but also a big ''fuck you'' to Erdogan.

[The Alma Mater]

Shouldn't be a problem if they stay in the Netherlands, right?

Yes, but that means they cannot see family in Turkey etc. Basically they're exiled.

And, of course, safety is relative. After all, this very topic is about a riot caused by a Turkish minister entering the country under false pretense, accompanied by several men carrying illegal firearms attempting to incite a riot.

In related news: a local Dutch councilman of Turkish descent has stepped down because he is being threatened by Dutch Erdogan supporters and does not wish to endanger his family. The mayor of Rotterdam (who is of Moroccan descent) has received similar threats and accusations of being a Gulen supporter, but has announced he is not afraid.

[Baltenstein]

Erdogan now says that Turkish families in Europe should have 5 children each to take over the continent.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on Turks living in Europe to have at least five children, saying it would be the best response to Europe's "injustices".
President Erdogan made the comments on Friday while campaigning in the city of Eskisehir for a referendum that would usher in a presidential system and enhance his powers.
The Turkish leader has unleashed scathing rhetoric toward European nations - especially the Netherlands - after Turkish ministers were prevented from carrying out campaign meetings there.

Mr Erdogan told Turks in Europe: "Go live in better neighbourhoods. Drive the best cars. Live in the best houses.
"Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe. That will be the best response to the injustices against you."

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/er ... 40809.html

I know it's basically long into "Don't feed the troll" territory with Recep but damn. This guy almost makes the /pol/ crowd look charming and reasonable.