Trump MAGAThread V: March Comes In Like A Lion

[The East Marches II]

Yes and now Trump will use it plus expand it. A month off and you are still being as hypocritical as ever with no sense that your positions lead to us to the situation we are in today. Tell me, do you feel safer knowing Trump has all this power in his hands? I can't wait for him to drive a truck through the holes Obama opened because of his lack of respect for Congress. This ought to be great.

I don't think it's hypocritical to say "it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

I do. It is when Gauthier goes on about how Trump is abusing his power when reasonable folk warned those like Gauthier that just such a situation like this could occur if we approve the first time it was used. That's the danger of power like this.

[Izandai]

I don't think it's hypocritical to say "it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

I do. It is when Gauthier goes on about how Trump is abusing his power when reasonable folk warned those like Gauthier that just such a situation like this could occur if we approve the first time it was used. That's the danger of power like this.

It's only hypocritical if Gauthier (and others) are complaining that Trump has the power available to him and weren't complaining when Obama had that same power. That's not what I've seen though. I see people complaining about HOW Trump is using his newfound power, not that he has the power.

[Frenequesta]

Depends what these regulations are. If you have to have some damn environmental regulations, I don't really care if you have to go through those. But some may be legitimately dumb. You shouldn't get the right to make everything shitty and unsafe with no regulations, though. We have regulations for a reason, so we don't have mass factory deaths and shit like that.

I'll give you an example of harmful regulation: forcing Americans to buy insurance when they can't afford it and mandating that large businesses provide coverage is absolutely insane. It drains pocketbooks and has had a negative impact on job growth. I want to avoid these rules and let the market run its course. I'm fine with government providing subsidies to folks who need help buying insurance (like in Switzerland) but nothing much beyond that.

Technically that's not a regulation, that's a statute (regulations are those executive agency rules published in the Federal Register), but that's just me being nit-picky.

Virtually every statute and regulation imposes some costs and could proximately negatively impact job growth. The question really is always whether it is worth it and effective in achieving its goals.

[The East Marches II]

I do. It is when Gauthier goes on about how Trump is abusing his power when reasonable folk warned those like Gauthier that just such a situation like this could occur if we approve the first time it was used. That's the danger of power like this.

It's only hypocritical if Gauthier (and others) are complaining that Trump has the power available to him and weren't complaining when Obama had that same power. That's not what I've seen though. I see people complaining about HOW Trump is using his newfound power, not that he has the power.

Gauthier is a good enough poster to do that plenty. I've got him dead to rights on this matter and he knows it. :^)

[Gauthier]

Yes and now Trump will use it plus expand it. A month off and you are still being as hypocritical as ever with no sense that your positions lead to us to the situation we are in today. Tell me, do you feel safer knowing Trump has all this power in his hands? I can't wait for him to drive a truck through the holes Obama opened because of his lack of respect for Congress. This ought to be great.

I don't think it's hypocritical to say "it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

But it is disingenuous to say "Obama should have never used executive orders to get things done despite Republican obstructionism, because now Trump can use them too!"

[The East Marches II]

I don't think it's hypocritical to say "it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

But it is disingenuous to say "Obama should have never used executive orders to get things done despite Republican obstructionism, because now Trump can use them too!"

Not at all, especially when you constantly warn of those powers falling into the wrong hands in the future. Let's not forget your rather infamous support for expanding executive power regarding speech after Trump won! Basically giving your enemy ammunition. That was gold.

[WhatsamattaU]

I don't think it's hypocritical to say "it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

I do. It is when Gauthier goes on about how Trump is abusing his power when reasonable folk warned those like Gauthier that just such a situation like this could occur if we approve the first time it was used. That's the danger of power like this.

I agree completely that it's hypocritical to say

"it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

To paraphrase Rev. Jeremiah Wright, "The Democrats chickens have come home to roost!"

[Izandai]

I do. It is when Gauthier goes on about how Trump is abusing his power when reasonable folk warned those like Gauthier that just such a situation like this could occur if we approve the first time it was used. That's the danger of power like this.

I agree completely that it's hypocritical to say

"it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

To paraphrase Rev. Jeremiah Wright, "The Democrats chickens have come home to roost!"

Why is it hypocritical to approve of good things happening and disapprove of bad things happening?

[WhatsamattaU]

I agree completely that it's hypocritical to say To paraphrase Rev. Jeremiah Wright, "The Democrats chickens have come home to roost!"

Why is it hypocritical to approve of good things happening and disapprove of bad things happening?

We're talking about method.

Can a righteous goal be accomplished using sacrilegious methods?

Do you believe that the ends justify the means?

[Izandai]

Why is it hypocritical to approve of good things happening and disapprove of bad things happening?

We're talking about method.

Can a righteous goal be accomplished using sacrilegious methods?

Do you believe that the ends justify the means?

They can. Killing a good person is evil, but killing an evil person is good.

[The East Marches II]

I do. It is when Gauthier goes on about how Trump is abusing his power when reasonable folk warned those like Gauthier that just such a situation like this could occur if we approve the first time it was used. That's the danger of power like this.

I agree completely that it's hypocritical to say

"it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."

To paraphrase Rev. Jeremiah Wright, "The Democrats chickens have come home to roost!"

If we are lucky, we may see such powers revoked by Congress or taken back. For instance I read an editorial in the USA Today suggesting Congress could stop delegating it's power over tariffs to the President. I hope this is the start of a general trend to rein in the Imperial Presidency.

[Frenequesta]

We're talking about method.

Can a righteous goal be accomplished using sacrilegious methods?

Do you believe that the ends justify the means?

They can. Killing a good person is evil, but killing an evil person is good.

Though not necessarily legal. You got to consider that dimension too.

[Senkaku]

Let's not forget your rather infamous support for expanding executive power regarding speech after Trump won!

jesus get a room you two

[Izandai]

They can. Killing a good person is evil, but killing an evil person is good.

Though not necessarily legal. You got to consider that dimension too.

Very true, and I am hugely against committing crimes, but illegal =/= evil. Interracial marriage used to be illegal, but only the most diehard racists today would say that's evil.

[Gauthier]

Let's not forget your rather infamous support for expanding executive power regarding speech after Trump won!

jesus get a room you two

Not my type.

[The East Marches II]

Let's not forget your rather infamous support for expanding executive power regarding speech after Trump won!

jesus get a room you two

I like Gauth but he doesn't like me. Pls liek if u cri evrytiem.

[Senkaku]

Do you believe that the ends justify the means?

Yeah.

[Senkaku]

jesus get a room you two

I like Gauth but he doesn't like me. Pls liek if u cri evrytiem.

jesus get a room you two

Not my type.

I feel like something happened once here and you each had a very different evening

[Gauthier]

Though not necessarily legal. You got to consider that dimension too.

Very true, and I am hugely against committing crimes, but illegal =/= evil. Interracial marriage used to be illegal, but only the most diehard racists today would say that's evil.

Executive orders aren't illegal in and of themselves.

[The East Marches II]

I was reading something in the Journal about potential the jobs market (its growth ironically), holding back growth. I can post the article if anybody wants it. It would be interesting to see how the current government could respond to such a situation.

[Gauthier]

And of course the whole boogieman of Trump With Executive Orders. Guess the federal courts were all powerless to declare Trump's Muslim Ban unconstitutional and block it.

[Izandai]

Very true, and I am hugely against committing crimes, but illegal =/= evil. Interracial marriage used to be illegal, but only the most diehard racists today would say that's evil.

Executive orders aren't illegal in and of themselves.

Meaning one less reason for them to be an undesirable means to achieve a noble end.

[The East Marches II]

And of course the whole boogieman of Trump With Executive Orders. Guess the federal courts were all powerless to declare Trump's Muslim Ban unconstitutional and block it.

My favorite part is when he fixed the problems and then did it anyway. That was 110% awesome. The courts aren't blocking it anymore. Guess the federal courts are powerless when he executes it without violating the Constitution explicitly. Boy do I feel safe from those evil refugees now!

[WhatsamattaU]

We're talking about method.

Can a righteous goal be accomplished using sacrilegious methods?

Do you believe that the ends justify the means?

They can. Killing a good person is evil, but killing an evil person is good.

And who gets to judge what is good or evil?

If religious group A believes that they are good and religious B is evil, is the killing of religious group b to be permitted?
Conversely, if religious group B believes that they are good and religious A is evil, is the killing of religious group A to be permitted?

"An eye for an eye making the whole world blind." Ghandi.

[Senkaku]

Boy do I feel safe from those evil refugees now!

I'm assuming you're serious but maybe my sarcasm meter has gone offline?? Either way, Id just like to add i'm so glad no more attacks like Bowling Green will ever happen thanks to this order