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Postby Maichuko » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:33 pm

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Vassenor wrote:OK, can someone explain this whole #ResistanceRadio thing? Because as I can tell it seems everyone is losing their cookies over an ARG.

It's for The Man in the High Castle. Apparently some Trump haters are latching on to it.

I love how anything that mentions Authoritarianism or Fascism nowadays is seen as criticism of Trump by the Alt-right or Conservatives.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:35 pm

US arsenal has become scarier, with Russia lagging behind

A few snippits:

Before the invention of this new fuzing mechanism, even the most accurate ballistic missile warheads might not detonate close enough to targets hardened against nuclear attack to destroy them. But the new super-fuze is designed to destroy fixed targets by detonating above and around a target in a much more effective way. Warheads that would otherwise overfly a target and land too far away will now, because of the new fuzing system, detonate above the target.


As a consequence, the US submarine force today is much more capable than it was previously against hardened targets such as Russian ICBM silos. A decade ago, only about 20 percent of US submarine warheads had hard-target kill capability; today they all do.

This vast increase in US nuclear targeting capability, which has largely been concealed from the general public, has serious implications for strategic stability and perceptions of US nuclear strategy and intentions.


Russian planners will almost surely see the advance in fuzing capability as empowering an increasingly feasible US preemptive nuclear strike capability—a capability that would require Russia to undertake countermeasures that would further increase the already dangerously high readiness of Russian nuclear forces. Tense nuclear postures based on worst-case planning assumptions already pose the possibility of a nuclear response to false warning of attack. The new kill capability created by super-fuzing increases the tension and the risk that US or Russian nuclear forces will be used in response to early warning of an attack—even when an attack has not occurred.

The increased capability of the US submarine force will likely be seen as even more threatening because Russia does not have a functioning space-based infrared early warning system but relies primarily on ground-based early warning radars to detect a US missile attack. Since these radars cannot see over the horizon, Russia has less than half as much early-warning time as the United States. (The United States has about 30 minutes, Russia 15 minutes or less.)


The US military assumes that Russian SS-18 and TOPOL missile silos are hardened to withstand a pressure of 10,000 pounds per square inch or more. Since with the new super-fuze, the probability of kill against these silos is near 0.9, the entire force of 100-kt W76-1/Mk4A Trident II warheads now “qualifies” for use against the hardest of Russian silos. This, in turn, means that essentially all of the higher-yield nuclear weapons (such as the W88/Mk5) that were formerly assigned to these Russian hard targets can now be focused on other, more demanding missions, including attacks against deeply-buried underground command facilities. In effect, the significant increase in the killing power of the W76 warhead allows the United States to use its submarine-based weapons more decisively in a wider range of missions than was the case before the introduction of this fuze.


To destroy or expose the remaining launchers, United States planners would have the nuclear forces needed to undertake truly scorched-earth tactics: Just 125 US Minuteman III warheads could set fire to some 8,000 square miles of forest area where the road-mobile missiles are most likely to be deployed. This would be the equivalent of a circular area with a diameter of 100 miles.

Such an attack would be potentially aimed at destroying all road-mobile launchers either as they disperse or after they have taken up position some short distance from roads that give them access to forested areas.


Essentially, US' new nuclear capabilities far outclass Russia's detection and stockpile creating a dangerous instability to nuclear balance.

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Postby Corrian » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:11 pm

Maichuko wrote:
Gauthier wrote:It's for The Man in the High Castle. Apparently some Trump haters are latching on to it.

I love how anything that mentions Authoritarianism or Fascism nowadays is seen as criticism of Trump by the Alt-right or Conservatives.

Which is funny...Do they secretly see that in Trump, too, so they associate all criticism of it to be associated with Trump?
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Postby New haven america » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:41 pm

Corrian wrote:
Maichuko wrote:I love how anything that mentions Authoritarianism or Fascism nowadays is seen as criticism of Trump by the Alt-right or Conservatives.

Which is funny...Do they secretly see that in Trump, too, so they associate all criticism of it to be associated with Trump?

Usually the most vocal people against criticism are the most insecure about their beliefs or ideas.

So probably.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:50 pm

Maichuko wrote:
Gauthier wrote:It's for The Man in the High Castle. Apparently some Trump haters are latching on to it.

I love how anything that mentions Authoritarianism or Fascism nowadays is seen as criticism of Trump by the Alt-right or Conservatives.

Conservatives are untouched by this. You are thinking moreso of populists.
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Postby United City States of Oceania » Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:56 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Maichuko wrote:I love how anything that mentions Authoritarianism or Fascism nowadays is seen as criticism of Trump by the Alt-right or Conservatives.

Conservatives are untouched by this. You are thinking moreso of populists.

No, populists don't care. It's the alt-right that's getting triggered.
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Postby Greater USA » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:54 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Maichuko wrote:I love how anything that mentions Authoritarianism or Fascism nowadays is seen as criticism of Trump by the Alt-right or Conservatives.

Conservatives are untouched by this. You are thinking moreso of populists.


Thank you.

I'm glad to back Trump when it comes to repealing harmful regulations, appointing strict constructions to the SCOTUS, etc. But his populist demagoguery with going after the press and fighting free trade is downright awful.
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Postby Greater USA » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:54 pm

United City States of Oceania wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Conservatives are untouched by this. You are thinking moreso of populists.

No, populists don't care. It's the alt-right that's getting triggered.


Isn't the alt-right composed of far right populists?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:00 pm

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United City States of Oceania wrote:No, populists don't care. It's the alt-right that's getting triggered.


Isn't the alt-right composed of far right populists?

The Alt-Right? It's made of types such as KKK, Neo-Nazis, and conspiracy theorists. In other words, the political fringes of the authoritarian side of politics.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:02 pm

Greater USA wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Conservatives are untouched by this. You are thinking moreso of populists.


Thank you.

I'm glad to back Trump when it comes to repealing harmful regulations, appointing strict constructions to the SCOTUS, etc. But his populist demagoguery with going after the press and fighting free trade is downright awful.


These are some of the few things I like about Trumps presidency thus far. Gorsuch will make a pretty damn good justice imo and I won't be upset if we get rid of some more regulations and whatnot.
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Postby United City States of Oceania » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:02 pm

Greater USA wrote:
United City States of Oceania wrote:No, populists don't care. It's the alt-right that's getting triggered.


Isn't the alt-right composed of far right populists?

Partially.
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Dentali wrote:
What is this? Captain America: Civil War?


No that had attractive people

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Uttland wrote:Why are the Reeds speaking Baguette? Don’t they know that in America we don’t tolerate Muslim languages like Baguette?


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Infected Mushroom wrote:Would you give your kid to the Donald? Why or why not?

I wouldn't give him a f**king cockroach to look after. He'd probably nominate it for SCOTUS.

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Postby Greater USA » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:02 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Greater USA wrote:
Isn't the alt-right composed of far right populists?

The Alt-Right? It's made of types such as KKK, Neo-Nazis, and conspiracy theorists. In other words, the political fringes of the authoritarian side of politics.


But also populists who have been duped into believing that racialist authoritarianism will "Make America Great Again."
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Postby United City States of Oceania » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:04 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:The Alt-Right? It's made of types such as KKK, Neo-Nazis, and conspiracy theorists. In other words, the political fringes of the authoritarian side of politics.


But also populists who have been duped into believing that racialist authoritarianism will "Make America Great Again."

Yes.
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No that had attractive people

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Infected Mushroom wrote:Would you give your kid to the Donald? Why or why not?

I wouldn't give him a f**king cockroach to look after. He'd probably nominate it for SCOTUS.

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Postby Corrian » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:04 pm

Depends what these regulations are. If you have to have some damn environmental regulations, I don't really care if you have to go through those. But some may be legitimately dumb. You shouldn't get the right to make everything shitty and unsafe with no regulations, though. We have regulations for a reason, so we don't have mass factory deaths and shit like that.
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Postby Greater USA » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:04 pm

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Greater USA wrote:
Thank you.

I'm glad to back Trump when it comes to repealing harmful regulations, appointing strict constructions to the SCOTUS, etc. But his populist demagoguery with going after the press and fighting free trade is downright awful.


These are some of the few things I like about Trumps presidency thus far. Gorsuch will make a pretty damn good justice imo and I won't be upset if we get rid of some more regulations and whatnot.


Absolutely. But we still need to call him out for his big government ego. I don't want to see genuine conservatives pushed out of politics by a bully who cares more about inflating his ego than actual principles.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:06 pm

I'm not sure I can think of a good thing about Trump's presidency yet. The TPP? Maybe. I don't really know if I was against that or not.
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Postby Greater USA » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:09 pm

Corrian wrote:Depends what these regulations are. If you have to have some damn environmental regulations, I don't really care if you have to go through those. But some may be legitimately dumb. You shouldn't get the right to make everything shitty and unsafe with no regulations, though. We have regulations for a reason, so we don't have mass factory deaths and shit like that.


I'll give you an example of harmful regulation: forcing Americans to buy insurance when they can't afford it and mandating that large businesses provide coverage is absolutely insane. It drains pocketbooks and has had a negative impact on job growth. I want to avoid these rules and let the market run its course. I'm fine with government providing subsidies to folks who need help buying insurance (like in Switzerland) but nothing much beyond that.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:17 pm

Greater USA wrote:
Corrian wrote:Depends what these regulations are. If you have to have some damn environmental regulations, I don't really care if you have to go through those. But some may be legitimately dumb. You shouldn't get the right to make everything shitty and unsafe with no regulations, though. We have regulations for a reason, so we don't have mass factory deaths and shit like that.


I'll give you an example of harmful regulation: forcing Americans to buy insurance when they can't afford it and mandating that large businesses provide coverage is absolutely insane. It drains pocketbooks and has had a negative impact on job growth. I want to avoid these rules and let the market run its course. I'm fine with government providing subsidies to folks who need help buying insurance (like in Switzerland) but nothing much beyond that.

Job growth seems rather good, though.

But I do think we can do better...But I'd be one that would go for "free" healthcare, so...
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:19 pm

Greater USA wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:The Alt-Right? It's made of types such as KKK, Neo-Nazis, and conspiracy theorists. In other words, the political fringes of the authoritarian side of politics.


But also populists who have been duped into believing that racialist authoritarianism will "Make America Great Again."

But I swear most of them can be shoehorned into the likes of Alex Jones given how many anti-vaxxers there are.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:23 pm

Greater USA wrote:
Corrian wrote:Depends what these regulations are. If you have to have some damn environmental regulations, I don't really care if you have to go through those. But some may be legitimately dumb. You shouldn't get the right to make everything shitty and unsafe with no regulations, though. We have regulations for a reason, so we don't have mass factory deaths and shit like that.


I'll give you an example of harmful regulation: forcing Americans to buy insurance when they can't afford it and mandating that large businesses provide coverage is absolutely insane. It drains pocketbooks and has had a negative impact on job growth. I want to avoid these rules and let the market run its course. I'm fine with government providing subsidies to folks who need help buying insurance (like in Switzerland) but nothing much beyond that.

Insurance mandate, such as the one designed by the Heritage Foundation and implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney to much Republican accolade, until Obama adopted it and the GOP decided it was bitten by the Kenyan Muslim Zombie Obama and needed to be killed.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:26 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Greater USA wrote:
I'll give you an example of harmful regulation: forcing Americans to buy insurance when they can't afford it and mandating that large businesses provide coverage is absolutely insane. It drains pocketbooks and has had a negative impact on job growth. I want to avoid these rules and let the market run its course. I'm fine with government providing subsidies to folks who need help buying insurance (like in Switzerland) but nothing much beyond that.

Insurance mandate, such as the one designed by the Heritage Foundation and implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney to much Republican accolade, until Obama adopted it and the GOP decided it was bitten by the Kenyan Muslim Zombie Obama and needed to be killed.


Alas, if only they would adopt such an attitude to Obama's love of executive power and his mass surveillance.

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Postby Izandai » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:28 pm

Greater USA wrote:
Corrian wrote:Depends what these regulations are. If you have to have some damn environmental regulations, I don't really care if you have to go through those. But some may be legitimately dumb. You shouldn't get the right to make everything shitty and unsafe with no regulations, though. We have regulations for a reason, so we don't have mass factory deaths and shit like that.


I'll give you an example of harmful regulation: forcing Americans to buy insurance when they can't afford it and mandating that large businesses provide coverage is absolutely insane. It drains pocketbooks and has had a negative impact on job growth. I want to avoid these rules and let the market run its course. I'm fine with government providing subsidies to folks who need help buying insurance (like in Switzerland) but nothing much beyond that.

The Affordable Care Act does provide subsidies to help people afford insurance. People are penalized for not having insurance to incentivize young, healthy people to get into the insurance market, which lowers risk for the insurance companies and keeps prices lower for everyone.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:29 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Insurance mandate, such as the one designed by the Heritage Foundation and implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney to much Republican accolade, until Obama adopted it and the GOP decided it was bitten by the Kenyan Muslim Zombie Obama and needed to be killed.


Alas, if only they would adopt such an attitude to Obama's love of executive power and his mass surveillance.

Oh right, the executive power Obama used because it was the only way he could get anything done despite Republican obstructionism, like DACA since they cockblocked immigration reform. A month off and you're still singing that tired song like Rebecca Black.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:32 pm

Gauthier wrote:
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Alas, if only they would adopt such an attitude to Obama's love of executive power and his mass surveillance.

Oh right, the executive power Obama used because it was the only way he could get anything done despite Republican obstructionism, like DACA since they cockblocked immigration reform. A month off and you're still singing that tired song like Rebecca Black.


Yes and now Trump will use it plus expand it. A month off and you are still being as hypocritical as ever with no sense that your positions lead to us to the situation we are in today. Tell me, do you feel safer knowing Trump has all this power in his hands? I can't wait for him to drive a truck through the holes Obama opened because of his lack of respect for Congress. This ought to be great.

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Postby Izandai » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:35 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Oh right, the executive power Obama used because it was the only way he could get anything done despite Republican obstructionism, like DACA since they cockblocked immigration reform. A month off and you're still singing that tired song like Rebecca Black.


Yes and now Trump will use it plus expand it. A month off and you are still being as hypocritical as ever with no sense that your positions lead to us to the situation we are in today. Tell me, do you feel safer knowing Trump has all this power in his hands? I can't wait for him to drive a truck through the holes Obama opened because of his lack of respect for Congress. This ought to be great.

I don't think it's hypocritical to say "it's good that person A used method X to do good things and bad that person B is using method X to do bad things."
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