Trump MAGAThread V: March Comes In Like A Lion

[Vassenor]

OK, can someone explain this whole #ResistanceRadio thing? Because as I can tell it seems everyone is losing their cookies over an ARG.

[Gauthier]

OK, can someone explain this whole #ResistanceRadio thing? Because as I can tell it seems everyone is losing their cookies over an ARG.

It's for The Man in the High Castle. Apparently some Trump haters are latching on to it.

[Hurdergaryp]

OK, can someone explain this whole #ResistanceRadio thing? Because as I can tell it seems everyone is losing their cookies over an ARG.

It's a marketing tool for this dystopian alternative history television series based upon a novel by Philip K. Dick. For some reason certain members of the alt-right and authoritarianism-minded conservatives take offense.

[Gauthier]

OK, can someone explain this whole #ResistanceRadio thing? Because as I can tell it seems everyone is losing their cookies over an ARG.

It's a marketing tool for this dystopian alternative history television series based upon a novel by Philip K. Dick. For some reason certain members of the alt-right and authoritarianism-minded conservatives take offense.

Even though it's a story where the Axis won.

[Northern Davincia]

that's like complaining that trump called the unemployment numbers fake until they were HIS numbers.

Trump is the stereotypical douchebag in fiction who tries to claim credit for everything good and pass the blame for everything bad even if it's directly his fault.

That's what most presidents do.

[Galloism]

Trump is the stereotypical douchebag in fiction who tries to claim credit for everything good and pass the blame for everything bad even if it's directly his fault.

That's what most presidents do.

Um, no. It isn't. "The buck stops here", remember?

[Ashmoria]

both the justice department and the state department are being screwed by firing people before they have replacements ready.

Let's just say there are a few people out there who probably wouldn't be that upset if Bharara didn't get a strong replacement any time soon.

aye but a bunch of them are democrats. so ... what does he have on trump that would get trump to fire the man who is investigating both the governor's man and the mayors man?

[Northern Davincia]

That's what most presidents do.

Um, no. It isn't. "The buck stops here", remember?

One counterexample does not a rebuttal make.

[Galloism]

Um, no. It isn't. "The buck stops here", remember?

One counterexample does not a rebuttal make.

That notion has followed presidents since Truman. Obama took responsibility for his mistakes, as did GW, as did Clinton, as did GHW, etc.

[Gauthier]

One counterexample does not a rebuttal make.

That notion has followed presidents since Truman. Obama took responsibility for his mistakes, as did GW, as did Clinton, as did GHW, etc.

And if the Bin Laden hit had gone south we all know Obama wouldn't try to shift the blame. Unlike Trump and Yemen.

[Galloism]

That notion has followed presidents since Truman. Obama took responsibility for his mistakes, as did GW, as did Clinton, as did GHW, etc.

And if the Bin Laden hit had gone south we all know Obama wouldn't try to shift the blame. Unlike Trump and Yemen.

No, he'd have owned it.

[Northern Davincia]

One counterexample does not a rebuttal make.

That notion has followed presidents since Truman. Obama took responsibility for his mistakes, as did GW, as did Clinton, as did GHW, etc.

What are we defining as a 'mistake'? I believe you and I can agree that these men have only taken a fraction of responsibility for their long, long lists of mistakes.

[Sanctissima]

And if the Bin Laden hit had gone south we all know Obama wouldn't try to shift the blame. Unlike Trump and Yemen.

No, he'd have owned it.

I somewhat doubt that.

More likely than not, it wouldn't have been made public.

[Gauthier]

No, he'd have owned it.

I somewhat doubt that.

More likely than not, it wouldn't have been made public.

Only for Putinleaks or some other outfit or individual to disclose it just for the hit on Obama and Democratic approval ratings.

[Ashmoria]

That notion has followed presidents since Truman. Obama took responsibility for his mistakes, as did GW, as did Clinton, as did GHW, etc.

What are we defining as a 'mistake'? I believe you and I can agree that these men have only taken a fraction of responsibility for their long, long lists of mistakes.

many of the things you think of as mistakes THEY don't think of as mistakes.

and it IS common to blame problems on the previous guy in the first year of an administration. its both TRUE and it helps move things along. but that blame is about something REAL that has been done--Obama came in with a huge financial crisis, for example. bush2 got hit with a tech bubble bursting that he had no involvement in creating. that kind of thing.

trump is a whole different level of blamemaking.

[United City States of Oceania]

No, he'd have owned it.

I somewhat doubt that.

More likely than not, it wouldn't have been made public.

Only if no Americans had died.

If some/all of the seals had died, then there would have been no way for him to hide it. The families of those who would have died would have demanded answers as to why their loved ones were missing.

[Northern Davincia]

What are we defining as a 'mistake'? I believe you and I can agree that these men have only taken a fraction of responsibility for their long, long lists of mistakes.

many of the things you think of as mistakes THEY don't think of as mistakes.

and it IS common to blame problems on the previous guy in the first year of an administration. its both TRUE and it helps move things along. but that blame is about something REAL that has been done--Obama came in with a huge financial crisis, for example. bush2 got hit with a tech bubble bursting that he had no involvement in creating. that kind of thing.

trump is a whole different level of blamemaking.

I suppose we can agree on that.

[Izandai]

I somewhat doubt that.

More likely than not, it wouldn't have been made public.

Only if no Americans had died.

If some/all of the seals had died, then there would have been no way for him to hide it. The families of those who would have died would have demanded answers as to why their loved ones were missing.

Eh, I think it would've been made public. Even if it wasn't successful, the fact that there was an attempt on Bin Laden's life probably would've gone over fairly well.

[Ashmoria]

many of the things you think of as mistakes THEY don't think of as mistakes.

and it IS common to blame problems on the previous guy in the first year of an administration. its both TRUE and it helps move things along. but that blame is about something REAL that has been done--Obama came in with a huge financial crisis, for example. bush2 got hit with a tech bubble bursting that he had no involvement in creating. that kind of thing.

trump is a whole different level of blamemaking.

I suppose we can agree on that.

it is kind of important not to normalize the trump administration. this is NOT normal.

I mean usually when a republican comes into office I would have to acknowledge that he is doing the same kind of thing the last republican president did. (not exactly the same, of course) but bush2 was a gentleman. he was a real politician. he had standards of dress for the oval office that would have had both bannon and Conway sent home to change!!!

[Sanctissima]

I somewhat doubt that.

More likely than not, it wouldn't have been made public.

Only for Putinleaks or some other outfit or individual to disclose it just for the hit on Obama and Democratic approval ratings.

Eh, I doubt they'd have been able to gain access to that. At least not easily.

SEAL activities are extremely confidential.

I somewhat doubt that.

More likely than not, it wouldn't have been made public.

Only if no Americans had died.

If some/all of the seals had died, then there would have been no way for him to hide it. The families of those who would have died would have demanded answers as to why their loved ones were missing.

That's a good point.

Mind you, even for extremely classified operations, military families tend to be told if their loved one has died. The only thing that I can imagine would have caused genuine outrage on their part is if they weren't given the bodies.

[Gauthier]

Only for Putinleaks or some other outfit or individual to disclose it just for the hit on Obama and Democratic approval ratings.

Eh, I doubt they'd have been able to gain access to that. At least not easily.

SEAL activities are extremely confidential.

Only if no Americans had died.

If some/all of the seals had died, then there would have been no way for him to hide it. The families of those who would have died would have demanded answers as to why their loved ones were missing.

That's a good point.

Mind you, even for extremely classified operations, military families tend to be told if their loved one has died. The only thing that I can imagine would have caused genuine outrage on their part is if they weren't given the bodies.

And if Bin Laden hadn't been capped, the whole world would know the moment al'Qaeda's media monkeys received the news.

[Ashmoria]

Only if no Americans had died.

If some/all of the seals had died, then there would have been no way for him to hide it. The families of those who would have died would have demanded answers as to why their loved ones were missing.

Eh, I think it would've been made public. Even if it wasn't successful, the fact that there was an attempt on Bin Laden's life probably would've gone over fairly well.

there is utterly no way to know. not only is that speculating about something that didn't happen but we have no way to know if there weren't DOZENS of failed missions that they covered up to avoid embarrassing the president.

[Sanctissima]

Eh, I doubt they'd have been able to gain access to that. At least not easily.

SEAL activities are extremely confidential.



That's a good point.

Mind you, even for extremely classified operations, military families tend to be told if their loved one has died. The only thing that I can imagine would have caused genuine outrage on their part is if they weren't given the bodies.

And if Bin Laden hadn't been capped, the whole world would know the moment al'Qaeda's media monkeys received the news.

That... is a very good point.

I hadn't considered that.

[Gauthier]

And if Bin Laden hadn't been capped, the whole world would know the moment al'Qaeda's media monkeys received the news.

That... is a very good point.

I hadn't considered that.

And Bin Laden had kidney disease. If a SEAL team couldn't have taken him out it would have been a major jihadi propaganda orgasm.

[United City States of Oceania]

Only for Putinleaks or some other outfit or individual to disclose it just for the hit on Obama and Democratic approval ratings.

Eh, I doubt they'd have been able to gain access to that. At least not easily.

SEAL activities are extremely confidential.

Only if no Americans had died.

If some/all of the seals had died, then there would have been no way for him to hide it. The families of those who would have died would have demanded answers as to why their loved ones were missing.

That's a good point.

Mind you, even for extremely classified operations, military families tend to be told if their loved one has died. The only thing that I can imagine would have caused genuine outrage on their part is if they weren't given the bodies.

The only way they could have kept it secret would be if they didn't tell the families. If they did tell them, they would tell other people about the deaths, and some peps would start asking questions 'bout the deaths. Eventually, the pressure on the gov. would grow and they would spill the beans.