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by Corrian » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:21 pm

by Camicon » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:21 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Camicon wrote:I live in America, so immediately, not all that worried. I don't know what it would mean going forward, if net neutrality in the USA is effectively killed, so there's no point in worrying about it.
After all, Net Neutrality existed long before it became an offical law.
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:27 pm
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by The Flutterlands » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:30 pm
Camicon wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:After all, Net Neutrality existed long before it became an offical law.
Yes, but - correct me if I'm wrong - service providers weren't looking to extort customers back then. This effort to repeal net neutrality is motivated by telecom companies specifically so that they can do that, so rest assured that if net neutrality in the USA is repealed that is what will happen.
But, like I said, I'm not American. Canadian politics are not nearly so penetrated by corporate money as American politics are. The only people that benefit by net neutrality laws being repealed are telecom companies, and without telecoms pouring money into the coffers of politicians there is really no reason for said politicians to do something so massively unpopular and damaging.

by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:33 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Camicon wrote:Yes, but - correct me if I'm wrong - service providers weren't looking to extort customers back then. This effort to repeal net neutrality is motivated by telecom companies specifically so that they can do that, so rest assured that if net neutrality in the USA is repealed that is what will happen.
But, like I said, I'm not American. Canadian politics are not nearly so penetrated by corporate money as American politics are. The only people that benefit by net neutrality laws being repealed are telecom companies, and without telecoms pouring money into the coffers of politicians there is really no reason for said politicians to do something so massively unpopular and damaging.
But why would they want something so unpopular and screw over their customers? It's like why would a pb sell poisoned drinks, it's just counterproductive and makes bad buisnuss. People could riot and bring them down with lawsuits.
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by The Flutterlands » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:34 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:But why would they want something so unpopular and screw over their customers? It's like why would a pb sell poisoned drinks, it's just counterproductive and makes bad buisnuss. People could riot and bring them down with lawsuits.
Did you ever have to deal with a telephone company in the United States back before cellphones were even a thing?

by Corrian » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:35 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Camicon wrote:Yes, but - correct me if I'm wrong - service providers weren't looking to extort customers back then. This effort to repeal net neutrality is motivated by telecom companies specifically so that they can do that, so rest assured that if net neutrality in the USA is repealed that is what will happen.
But, like I said, I'm not American. Canadian politics are not nearly so penetrated by corporate money as American politics are. The only people that benefit by net neutrality laws being repealed are telecom companies, and without telecoms pouring money into the coffers of politicians there is really no reason for said politicians to do something so massively unpopular and damaging.
But why would they want something so unpopular and screw over their customers? It's like why would a pb sell poisoned drinks, it's just counterproductive and makes bad buisnuss. People could riot and bring them down with lawsuits.

by Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:35 pm

by The Flutterlands » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:36 pm

by Camicon » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:38 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Camicon wrote:Yes, but - correct me if I'm wrong - service providers weren't looking to extort customers back then. This effort to repeal net neutrality is motivated by telecom companies specifically so that they can do that, so rest assured that if net neutrality in the USA is repealed that is what will happen.
But, like I said, I'm not American. Canadian politics are not nearly so penetrated by corporate money as American politics are. The only people that benefit by net neutrality laws being repealed are telecom companies, and without telecoms pouring money into the coffers of politicians there is really no reason for said politicians to do something so massively unpopular and damaging.
But why would they want something so unpopular and screw over their customers? It's like why would a pb sell poisoned drinks, it's just counterproductive and makes bad buisnuss. People could riot and bring them down with lawsuits.
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:43 pm
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by The Flutterlands » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:44 pm
Camicon wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:But why would they want something so unpopular and screw over their customers? It's like why would a pb sell poisoned drinks, it's just counterproductive and makes bad buisnuss. People could riot and bring them down with lawsuits.
Because American telecom companies hold monopolies over certain areas of the country. They can fuck with their customers because their customers have no other option. Repealing net neutrality lets telecoms take the fuckery one step farther.

by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:45 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Camicon wrote:Because American telecom companies hold monopolies over certain areas of the country. They can fuck with their customers because their customers have no other option. Repealing net neutrality lets telecoms take the fuckery one step farther.
But why? What makes them think they can get away with it?
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:46 pm
Camicon wrote:The Flutterlands wrote:But why would they want something so unpopular and screw over their customers? It's like why would a pb sell poisoned drinks, it's just counterproductive and makes bad buisnuss. People could riot and bring them down with lawsuits.
Because American telecom companies hold monopolies over certain areas of the country. They can fuck with their customers because their customers have no other option. Repealing net neutrality lets telecoms take the fuckery one step farther.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by The Flutterlands » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:47 pm

by Corrian » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:47 pm

by Camicon » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:49 pm
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Camicon wrote:Because American telecom companies hold monopolies over certain areas of the country. They can fuck with their customers because their customers have no other option. Repealing net neutrality lets telecoms take the fuckery one step farther.
I mean, the monopoly has effectively disappeared on cellphone lines, but yes, in most services where you have to run cable, there are still monopolies.
The Flutterlands wrote:Camicon wrote:Because American telecom companies hold monopolies over certain areas of the country. They can fuck with their customers because their customers have no other option. Repealing net neutrality lets telecoms take the fuckery one step farther.
But why? What makes them think they can get away with it? They're just being cartoonishly evil at this point.
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:51 pm
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

by The Flutterlands » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:52 pm

by Camicon » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:54 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
They're a monopoly, they can do whatever they want to and you really have no other choice except hope the free market does, someday, deal with your situation.
Why can't the internet just be the interent? Something that exists without having to be provided or controlled...
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by Soldati Senza Confini » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:55 pm
The Flutterlands wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
They're a monopoly, they can do whatever they want to and you really have no other choice except hope the free market does, someday, deal with your situation.
Why can't the internet just be the interent? Something that exists without having to be provided or controlled...
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by Corrian » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:57 pm

by Camicon » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:59 pm
Corrian wrote:Speaking of that, we're pretty much stuck with Frontier for our Internet out here. And they've been a royal pain in the ass. But do we have any other option? Nope.
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by The Flutterlands » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:02 pm

by Corrian » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:05 pm
Camicon wrote:Corrian wrote:Speaking of that, we're pretty much stuck with Frontier for our Internet out here. And they've been a royal pain in the ass. But do we have any other option? Nope.
There's no monopoly Corrian! There are lots of internet service providers in America! It's just complete coincidence that they almost entirely stay out of each other's way!
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