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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:35 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
there IS NOTHING other than Obamacare.

as our friend above said, universal health care, single payer, socialized medicine would all be superior but, sadly, we cant have nice things in this country any more.


The way you pose it is that we should either be happy with eating shit, or starve to death, if given the choice.


You not thinking it like a Congressional Republican

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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:35 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
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Honestly nobody is going to force me to buy something I don't want.


And health insurance is better at this, you think, how?


the master taxes my friend.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:36 pm

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Personally, I am of the mindset that health insurance is just a failing system in and of itself that should have died last century.

It's not sustainable to have a population eternally betting against itself on the risk of getting sick.


Honestly nobody is going to force me to buy something I don't want.

Why don't you want health insurance?
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:36 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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Honestly nobody is going to force me to buy something I don't want.

Why don't you want health insurance?


Give it free and I'll take it willingly.
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:36 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
there IS NOTHING other than Obamacare.

as our friend above said, universal health care, single payer, socialized medicine would all be superior but, sadly, we cant have nice things in this country any more.


The way you pose it is that we should either be happy with eating shit, or starve to death, if given the choice.

welcome to America!

the republicans are desperate to repeal what we have now in order to give rich people a tax cut. do you think they would EVER be willing to raise taxes in order to get everyone covered?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:36 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Personally, I am of the mindset that health insurance is just a failing system in and of itself that should have died last century.

It's not sustainable to have a population eternally betting against itself on the risk of getting sick.


Honestly nobody is going to force me to buy something I don't want.


Of course you want to force everybody else to help you if something bad happened to you.....
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:37 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Honestly nobody is going to force me to buy something I don't want.


Of course you want to force everybody else to help you if something bad happened to you.....

ohhh noooo he will insist they let him die on the street because he doesn't have enough money to pay for his treatment.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:37 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Why don't you want health insurance?


Give it free and I'll take it willingly.

Well that's obviously never going to happen, you pay for it to some degree no matter what
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:38 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Honestly nobody is going to force me to buy something I don't want.


Of course you want to force everybody else to help you if something bad happened to you.....


Nope.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:39 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Give it free and I'll take it willingly.

Well that's obviously never going to happen, you pay for it to some degree no matter what


Then no thanks.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:39 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Of course you want to force everybody else to help you if something bad happened to you.....


Nope.


So you have a refuse treatment order?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:40 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well that's obviously never going to happen, you pay for it to some degree no matter what


Then no thanks.

Well that's odd, since it's still easier to pay for insurance then to cover all your own medical bills
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:40 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
And health insurance is better at this, you think, how?


the master taxes my friend.


That's nice. But it doesn't really address the point.

I mean, if health insurance wasn't such a shit model of healthcare I would be for it. But it is. And it isn't sustainable. And the simple fact is, everyone needs to go to the doctor at least once in their lifetime. It is ridiculous you have to bet against yourself to not get sick.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:40 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Nope.


So you have a refuse treatment order?


Honestly the government has never helped me before. They only exist to take away my earnings. Nothing else. Not even good at fixing roads.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:41 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Then no thanks.

Well that's odd, since it's still easier to pay for insurance then to cover all your own medical bills


It probably is but if I don't want it then don't give fucking tax me for it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:42 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
So you have a refuse treatment order?


Honestly the government has never helped me before. They only exist to take away my earnings. Nothing else. Not even good at fixing roads.


Wouldn't it been easier to type "No" ?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:42 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well that's odd, since it's still easier to pay for insurance then to cover all your own medical bills


It probably is but if I don't want it then don't give fucking tax me for it.


You may not want healthcare now, but you still are going to want to go to the doctor for something you have that you don't know.

The problem is that people fail to grasp this. There's not going to be "no demand for doctors" anytime soon.
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:43 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well that's odd, since it's still easier to pay for insurance then to cover all your own medical bills


It probably is but if I don't want it then don't give fucking tax me for it.

So basically, you'd rather have an absurdly expensive bill every time you get sick then pay a small amount in extra tax to be able to walk into a clinic whenever?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:44 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
So you have a refuse treatment order?


Honestly the government has never helped me before. They only exist to take away my earnings. Nothing else. Not even good at fixing roads.


I mean, roads are a state issue, not a federal issue.

Maybe your state doesn't take care of its roads as well as it should. That doesn't befall on the rest of the states.
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:44 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
It probably is but if I don't want it then don't give fucking tax me for it.

So basically, you'd rather have an absurdly expensive bill every time you get sick then pay a small amount in extra tax to be able to walk into a clinic whenever?


Sure.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:45 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So basically, you'd rather have an absurdly expensive bill every time you get sick then pay a small amount in extra tax to be able to walk into a clinic whenever?


Sure.

Why? Medicals expenisve
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:45 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Honestly the government has never helped me before. They only exist to take away my earnings. Nothing else. Not even good at fixing roads.


I mean, roads are a state issue, not a federal issue.

Maybe your state doesn't take care of its roads as well as it should. That doesn't befall on the rest of the states.


But taxes are theft!
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:45 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
It probably is but if I don't want it then don't give fucking tax me for it.

So basically, you'd rather have an absurdly expensive bill every time you get sick then pay a small amount in extra tax to be able to walk into a clinic whenever?

a few years back a bug flew into my husband's ear. I was out of town and it turns out that you cant get a bug out of your own ear. it was late at night so he went to the emergency room. they took the bug out of his ear.

it cost $900.

insurance paid for it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:46 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So basically, you'd rather have an absurdly expensive bill every time you get sick then pay a small amount in extra tax to be able to walk into a clinic whenever?


Sure.


Ok. Car crash. Do you have a concept of the cost of treatment?
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:46 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
It probably is but if I don't want it then don't give fucking tax me for it.

So basically, you'd rather have an absurdly expensive bill every time you get sick then pay a small amount in extra tax to be able to walk into a clinic whenever?


That's how I would prefer it, yeah. I haven't been to the doctor in a solid decade now, I'd probably be saving money that way.

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Honestly the government has never helped me before. They only exist to take away my earnings. Nothing else. Not even good at fixing roads.


I mean, roads are a state issue, not a federal issue.

Maybe your state doesn't take care of its roads as well as it should. That doesn't befall on the rest of the states.


Literally nowhere in the US takes care of it's roads.
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