Trump MAGAThread V: March Comes In Like A Lion

[Ashmoria]

ya but

trump got a 10 minute lecture from the Chinese president on the history of china and korea.

was that too long so that trump's mind wandered and he THOUGHT xi said that korea used to be part of china? or maybe xi actually said it in order to fuck with trump (I doubt this)?

Ah, great. So POTUS has the memory retention capacity of a sieve now ... or did he just inadvertently tune out the bit about Chinese-Korean relations and history of interaction (friendly and hostile) between the two?

now? you think this is recent?

he knows nothing, wants to know nothing, and gets all his info from foxnews and worse.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

ya but

trump got a 10 minute lecture from the Chinese president on the history of china and korea.

was that too long so that trump's mind wandered and he THOUGHT xi said that korea used to be part of china? or maybe xi actually said it in order to fuck with trump (I doubt this)?

Ah, great. So POTUS has the memory retention capacity of a sieve now ... or did he just inadvertently tune out the bit about Chinese-Korean relations and history of interaction (friendly and hostile) between the two?

He might have confused (don't ask me how) the bits and pieces about the Korean Kingdom being occupied at times by Chinese commanderies and made to pay tribute as actual ownership. <.< >.> Nevertheless you would never find a Qing scholar actually claiming the Korean Kingdom as part of the dynasty since it would go against the whole client-patron tributary system.

[Great Nepal]

So apparently looking at what president has achieved in first 100 days is a ridiculous standard. I wonder how long it'll be before his supporters start parroting 100 days being a ridiculous/ ridiculously short (or some variation) time to evaluate the president which trump is first one to be subjected to.

[Sane Outcasts]

The next item on Congress' agenda should be the spending continuation, since the current one ends in a week. However, after that's done they may try to pass the new healthcare bill if they think they have the votes since their plans for tax reform hinged a bit on removing a lot of the spending from the ACA. Trump is still suggesting rather strongly he wants to get healthcare done this year, so he'd be supportive of a new bill just to say it was done.

I'd say if the new healthcare bill could be introduced in May or earlier if spending is taken care of quickly.

it is far safer to just lie about it like trump is doing now "its gotten really really good" (when the talks--there are no official bill changes--violate every promise trump made about an Obamacare replacement). its gotten them this far there is no need to commit political suicide.

Remember that Congress and Trump are feeling some odd pressure to do everything NOW and not when it could actually be done right. I don't think that pressure has eased and, in their calculations, passing the healthcare replacement now is far better than leaving it a year. That's why negotiations are all about healthcare instead of tax reform or budget items, the sort of things you'd expect to be discussed if healthcare was really being tabled for a year.

[Ashmoria]

So apparently looking at what president has achieved in first 100 days is a ridiculous standard. I wonder how long it'll be before his supporters start parroting 100 days being a ridiculous/ ridiculously short (or some variation) time to evaluate the president which trump is first one to be subjected to.

but GN, he has accomplished more than ANY president in his first 100 days. more than FDR, more than Reagan, more than barack Obama.

if he says it it must be true

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What did FDR do in this first 100 days anyway?

[Washington Resistance Army]

What did FDR do in this first 100 days anyway?

A bunch of awful shit, probably.

[Ashmoria]

it is far safer to just lie about it like trump is doing now "its gotten really really good" (when the talks--there are no official bill changes--violate every promise trump made about an Obamacare replacement). its gotten them this far there is no need to commit political suicide.

Remember that Congress and Trump are feeling some odd pressure to do everything NOW and not when it could actually be done right. I don't think that pressure has eased and, in their calculations, passing the healthcare replacement now is far better than leaving it a year. That's why negotiations are all about healthcare instead of tax reform or budget items, the sort of things you'd expect to be discussed if healthcare was really being tabled for a year.

it could happen but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

did you see that trump is making it harder to avoid a shutdown by making demands as to what is needed in the spending bill?

[WhatsamattaU]

Remember that Congress and Trump are feeling some odd pressure to do everything NOW and not when it could actually be done right. I don't think that pressure has eased and, in their calculations, passing the healthcare replacement now is far better than leaving it a year. That's why negotiations are all about healthcare instead of tax reform or budget items, the sort of things you'd expect to be discussed if healthcare was really being tabled for a year.

it could happen but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

did you see that trump is making it harder to avoid a shutdown by making demands as to what is needed in the spending bill?

Other than specific items, I see little difference between President Trump's and the Republican's priorities about what needs to be in a budget to avoid a government shutdown and the priorities of, then, President Obama's and the Democrat's of what needs to be in a budget.

As for urgency and doing things half-assed rather than doing things right, that was the very same situation with Obama-Care.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well Trumps complaining about the standards he set being ridiculous. Who else is tired of winning?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well Trumps complaining about the standards he set being ridiculous. Who else is tired of winning?

Forgive my confusion but, what exactly are we winning at again?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Well Trumps complaining about the standards he set being ridiculous. Who else is tired of winning?

Forgive my confusion but, what exactly are we winning at again?

I dunno, but Trump said we'd be tired of winning by now

[Senkaku]

Forgive my confusion but, what exactly are we winning at again?

I dunno, but Trump said we'd be tired of winning by now

If this is "winning", then yes, I'm tired of it

[Ashmoria]

it could happen but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

did you see that trump is making it harder to avoid a shutdown by making demands as to what is needed in the spending bill?

Other than specific items, I see little difference between President Trump's and the Republican's priorities about what needs to be in a budget to avoid a government shutdown and the priorities of, then, President Obama's and the Democrat's of what needs to be in a budget.

As for urgency and doing things half-assed rather than doing things right, that was the very same situation with Obama-Care.

it wasn't half assed but it wasn't what they would have ended up with if ted kennedy hadn't died.

[Ashmoria]

Well Trumps complaining about the standards he set being ridiculous. Who else is tired of winning?

I am pretty sick of all this "winning"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I was checking conspiracy websites to see if they also thought Donald Trump was part of the illuminati or some other bullshit secret society since, you know, now he's the president and all. Thought "might as well get my laugh this morning with them".

Imagine my face reading that NOW there's an outsider president who isn't part of the Establishment class nor has he ever been in any of the clubs and whatever else conspiracy theorists think ALL prior presidents have been.

[Frenequesta]

So apparently looking at what president has achieved in first 100 days is a ridiculous standard. I wonder how long it'll be before his supporters start parroting 100 days being a ridiculous/ ridiculously short (or some variation) time to evaluate the president which trump is first one to be subjected to.

He's right, though. Usually policy takes a very long time to implement, FDR being an anomaly because there really was a crisis to address.

But of course, Trump's 100 days is still marked by failures everywhere and executive orders that are neither show nor tell. Gorsuch is perhaps his only unambiguous win to date.

[WhatsamattaU]

Other than specific items, I see little difference between President Trump's and the Republican's priorities about what needs to be in a budget to avoid a government shutdown and the priorities of, then, President Obama's and the Democrat's of what needs to be in a budget.

As for urgency and doing things half-assed rather than doing things right, that was the very same situation with Obama-Care.

it wasn't half assed but it wasn't what they would have ended up with if ted kennedy hadn't died.

Of course it was half-assed. It crashed so much in the early days, Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood joked about it on the opening of an awards show. Right now, it's set to implode under it's own weight of bad fiscal policy.

You mean, this Ted Kennedy? https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html The traitor with more ties to Russia than Trump?

[The Black Forrest]

it wasn't half assed but it wasn't what they would have ended up with if ted kennedy hadn't died.

Of course it was half-assed. It crashed so much in the early days, Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood joked about it on the opening of an awards show. Right now, it's set to implode under it's own weight of bad fiscal policy.

You mean, this Ted Kennedy? https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html The traitor with more ties to Russia than Trump?

I am shocked the Hoover institute would not like the Senators approach.

[Ashmoria]

it wasn't half assed but it wasn't what they would have ended up with if ted kennedy hadn't died.

Of course it was half-assed. It crashed so much in the early days, Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood joked about it on the opening of an awards show. Right now, it's set to implode under it's own weight of bad fiscal policy.

You mean, this Ted Kennedy? https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html The traitor with more ties to Russia than Trump?

a bad website doesn't make it half assed.

teddy's Russia connection has nothing to do with the need to pass the senate version of the health care bill after he died.

and the aca is "failing" because the republicans are doing (almost) everything in their power to destroy it.

[Distruzio]

Of course it was half-assed. It crashed so much in the early days, Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood joked about it on the opening of an awards show. Right now, it's set to implode under it's own weight of bad fiscal policy.

You mean, this Ted Kennedy? https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html The traitor with more ties to Russia than Trump?

a bad website doesn't make it half assed.

teddy's Russia connection has nothing to do with the need to pass the senate version of the health care bill after he died.

and the aca is "failing" because the republicans are doing (almost) everything in their power to destroy it.

How so?

[Ashmoria]

a bad website doesn't make it half assed.

teddy's Russia connection has nothing to do with the need to pass the senate version of the health care bill after he died.

and the aca is "failing" because the republicans are doing (almost) everything in their power to destroy it.

How so?

you should know these things

you can start with the refusal to take the Medicaid expansion thus leaving many millions of people without insurance and those states with higher insurance premiums because of it

[Gauthier]

a bad website doesn't make it half assed.

teddy's Russia connection has nothing to do with the need to pass the senate version of the health care bill after he died.

and the aca is "failing" because the republicans are doing (almost) everything in their power to destroy it.

How so?

Witholding Medicare expansion in red states, threatening to stop funding the ACA...

[Distruzio]

How so?

you should know these things

you can start with the refusal to take the Medicaid expansion thus leaving many millions of people without insurance and those states with higher insurance premiums because of it

And these choices are whats making obamacare fail?

[Ashmoria]

you should know these things

you can start with the refusal to take the Medicaid expansion thus leaving many millions of people without insurance and those states with higher insurance premiums because of it

And these choices are whats making obamacare fail?

there are others but its not the topic of this thread so I'm not going to wade through all the "replacement plan" google results to find you links.