BREAKING! Obama Allegedly Wiretapped Trump during Campaign

[Neutraligon]

Darn you, Soros! You PROMISED us we'd get paid! Grrr...

Not getting paid. Sounds more like Trump was the one who organized the protests.

And speaking of Trump, he's turned into the end receiver for an endless game of alt-right conspiracy telephone.

I still find the paid thing funny since Trump supposedly paid supporters when he first started campaigning. Given the Trump law...I kinda wonder what this means about whom Trump has ordered wire tapped (not that he can legally do so without a courts permission).

Also, why does this have its own thread?

[Ashmoria]

This is absolutely zero evidence this is true. It has been denied by former staffers not to mention it would be illegal. The President cannot order wiretaps.

Exactly, that is why it is such a big deal if it was true, and a violation of the 4th Amendment.

it sure would be

which is why trump should never have opened the can of worms. what if there is an investigation and we find out that there was indeed a wiretapping of trump or his campaign. that would have required a valid FISA warrant with solid evidence that surveillance is needed.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

The Soros/Paid-protester thing came from the released data that over 70% of the protestors at Fergusson were from out of state.

In any event, they were not spontanious, and were clearly organized. And if they were orderly and organized, they had little excuse to behave as a barbarric disorganized mob barely capable of chanting and grunting and throwing rocks at people.

Later ones, such as the "showed up with faux invoices" all happened at the same time at the same meeting, with the same identical format on all foreged invoices.

The context has changed since the Nixon era.
Mass surveillance is a norm now. It would be odd for him not to be under surveillance.

Especially if he was working with the Russians. It's called the Patriot Act.

Except that part of the Patriot Act got snubbed during round 2 of G.W. Bush.

For being unconstitutional. Plus, y'know, mass-resignations within the FBI.

[Ashmoria]

Hmmm? Trump, facing serious problems, lies again to distract people? *yawn*

He is not facing serious problems. It is common place for government officials to meet with ambassadors. Did you know that the Russian ambassador visited the Obama White House 22 times? Did you know Obama knew that Russia was interfering with the election during September 2015? He did nothing about it. And is it not too common for a Senator and member of the Arm's Service Committee, (Sessions) to meet with the Russian Ambassador at least once? And there is no evidence they discussed the campaign. At least Sessions wasn't like your friend Schumer who was enjoying a donut with the murderous Putin or Pelosi who lied about meeting with the Russian Ambassador when she actually did meet with him? Wasn't it smart that Sessions recused himself from the investigation about Russia, while Loretta Lynch never did when she met with Bill several days before the verdict on the emails? The fact is that Trump has inspired Americans, even Democrats, with his optimistic speech on Tuesday and the Left can't handle it, so they are causing hysteria. The Left is becoming less credible each day, and maybe that's why many people believe Trump's claim. It is not all too surprising actually, as the Left has been instigating violence against Trump voters and Republicans in an organized manner.

lol

did you know that at no time did any of those people lie under oath that they had never met the Russian ambassador during a particular time period?

[Thermodolia]

Exactly, that is why it is such a big deal if it was true, and a violation of the 4th Amendment.

it sure would be

which is why trump should never have opened the can of worms. what if there is an investigation and we find out that there was indeed a wiretapping of trump or his campaign. that would have required a valid FISA warrant with solid evidence that surveillance is needed.

Which would mean all of that evidence would be hand over to the FBI which then might go investigating the Trump administration

[Ashmoria]

Obama doesn't strike me as the sort of guy who would do such a thing, but I could be mistaken. If this is the case, I'd be pretty disappointed in number 44. That said, however, and though this doesn't excuse Obama if he did do it, he's no longer the President. Second, we as a country have bigger fish to fry. Shouldn't we be focused on the issues before us, like eradicating ISIS and fixing our crumbling infrastructure?

I agree that we should focus on getting rid of ISIS and fixing our infrastructure instead of talking about Obama or Russia. But unfortunately, people on both sides can't get over this election and the sometimes blown out of scale affairs of the last few months. But the Obama thing is pretty serious, just not as serious as fixing our country.

its a big government. we can multi task

[Ashmoria]

it sure would be

which is why trump should never have opened the can of worms. what if there is an investigation and we find out that there was indeed a wiretapping of trump or his campaign. that would have required a valid FISA warrant with solid evidence that surveillance is needed.

Which would mean all of that evidence would be hand over to the FBI which then might go investigating the Trump administration

yup

[Monionia Dray]

Until there is real evidence to this, I will dismiss it as Trump has lately been saying stuff far from the truth and I will not accept anything coming from his mouth as truth.

Some Articles to Read:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/04/trump-accuses-obama-administration-wiretapping-trump-tower-phones.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-accuses-obama-of-wire-tapping-in-october-1488637355

Link to the Constitution:

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

This could be a political scandal larger than Watergate if it is true. It goes as follows: then President Barack Obama wiretapped Trump Tower in October 2016. However, there has been no evidence of this unwarranted interference. But could this be another scandal to add to Obama's already tarred legacy, (IRS Scandal, Benghazi, Fast and Furious Scandal?) This discussion forum was created to engage a debate on this issue, and discuss if Trump's claim is true or false, and Obama's actions, (that is, if his actually administration carried them out) are justified or a violation of the Constitution.

[Raszezsar]

I miss the days of Muslim lizard antichrist Obama.

Instead you've got the actual Antichrist now in the White House. ;p

I think you're referring to Steve Bannon with that. Trump is hardly the antichrist, just an unpleasant distraction.

[Wisconsin9]

I'm sure there's just as much to this "story" as there was to the last baseless conspiracy theory Donald pushed about Obama.

This is just Trump spinning up some fake news, trying to blame everything on people who are no longer politically relevant so that we stop grilling to find out just how deep his administration is with the Kremlin.

[Ashmoria]

I'd believe this if the first article wasn't Fox News.

foxnews just reported the tweets, didn't it? it didn't vouch for the truth of it.

[Crockerland]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-accuses-obama-of-wire-tapping-in-october-1488637355

Fake news.

[Pope Joan]

I would not put this past the DNC; look at the dirty tricks they played on Bernie.

But I think Obama is above such stuff.

[United States of Natan]

Yes, and in other news, pigs have grown wings and can fly.

[Raszezsar]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-accuses-obama-of-wire-tapping-in-october-1488637355

Fake news.

Do you mean that Trump didn't actually accuse Obama of wiretapping?

[Crockerland]

Fake news.

Do you mean that Trump didn't actually accuse Obama of wiretapping?

I'm saying that Wall Street Journal is fake news.

[Geilinor]

Do you mean that Trump didn't actually accuse Obama of wiretapping?

I'm saying that Wall Street Journal is fake news.

How? Because Trump said so?

[Crockerland]

I'm saying that Wall Street Journal is fake news.

How? Because Trump said so?

Because they are a libel/slander site that publishes hitpieces?

[Ashmoria]

Do you mean that Trump didn't actually accuse Obama of wiretapping?

I'm saying that Wall Street Journal is fake news.

well that sort of makes you someone to ignore, eh? you obviously have no idea of what news IS.

[Raszezsar]

Do you mean that Trump didn't actually accuse Obama of wiretapping?

I'm saying that Wall Street Journal is fake news.

That is what you said. I tried to clarify by asking if you meant what I thought you meant.

How? Because Trump said so?

Because they are a libel/slander site that publishes hitpieces?

So do you mean to say that this article is a libelous hit piece?

[Frank Zipper]

I miss the days of Muslim lizard antichrist Obama.

It's not lizards anymore, it's fake newts.

[Crockerland]

I'm saying that Wall Street Journal is fake news.

That is what you said. I tried to clarify by asking if you meant what I thought you meant.

Because they are a libel/slander site that publishes hitpieces?

So do you mean to say that this article is a libelous hit piece?

I'm saying that libel sites are not reliable news sources.

[IceBuddha]

My take on it: It is very possible (likely, even) that there were people within the Trump campaign who were wiretapped as part of a legitimate criminal or counterintelligence investigation by the FBI.

This is a far cry from what Trump is accusing Obama of (with no evidence)... illegal "Watergate/Nixon" wiretapping for partisan purposes. All I can say is that this is going to be a long and very destructive 4 years if this is how this President behaves.

[Ashmoria]

That is what you said. I tried to clarify by asking if you meant what I thought you meant.


So do you mean to say that this article is a libelous hit piece?

I'm saying that libel sites are not reliable news sources.

*rolling my eyes*

how about you give a link to a recent article that meets your definition of libelous hit piece

[Lancaster of Wessex]

I miss the days of Muslim lizard antichrist Obama.

It's not lizards anymore, it's fake newts.

Well punned!