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Should the UK rename the Imperial War Museum?

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Drop Imperial from the name of the War Museum

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Should the UK rename the Imperial War Museum?

Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:13 am

Isn't it about time the UK dropped 'imperial' from the name of the Imperial War Museum?

The museums remit is now every conflict since 1914, and surely it must be very uncomfortable for some service personnel to see exhibits of more recent conflicts they took part in under the label 'imperial'.

I think we should just drop the word imperial and call it the War Museum - it does what it says on the can.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:16 am

Maybe we should ask their opinion rather than just assuming it.
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:17 am

Frank Zipper wrote:Isn't it about time the UK dropped 'imperial' from the name of the Imperial War Museum?

The museums remit is now every conflict since 1914, and surely it must be very uncomfortable for some service personnel to see exhibits of more recent conflicts they took part in under the label 'imperial'.

I think we should just drop the word imperial and call it the War Museum - it does what it says on the can.


Just call it the British War Museum. I agree. "Imperial' is a word from a bygone age where having your own empire was a source of pride. It is also sends the wrong message to countries like India where the British abused the population (looking at you, Churchill) that the museum is celebrating that part of British history.
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Postby North Isseggggnignigsegigisegggg Islands » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:19 am

In some people's opinion, the UK is still imperialist.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:22 am

Imperial war museum sounds more impressive, war museum is dull and boring.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:23 am

No. Britain's empire is an important part of its military history. Let's not give even more money to useless overpaid shitty advertising agencies for lame unnecessary rebrandings. Nope, nope, nope.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:26 am

Vassenor wrote:Maybe we should ask their opinion rather than just assuming it.


I would be on board with that.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:54 am

Which war since hasn't been imperial in nature?
Isn't all war kind of imperial?

Maybe the falklands.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:05 am

Seems that it would be changing something for the sake of changing it. I prefer to avoid doing such things.

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Postby Alvecia » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:28 am

Hey! I walk past the northern one on the way to my mate's place. Cool design. Has a tank in the car park.

As to the name? Nah. It's fine as it is.

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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:34 am

As long as they don't put a true-to-scale Baneblade in the main exhibition hall, the name just seems inappropriate.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:17 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Which war since hasn't been imperial in nature?
Isn't all war kind of imperial?

Maybe the falklands.


That's a good question. I'm not sure I would say they were all about British imperialism though.
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Postby The Mounk » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:01 am

The imperial war museum is a museum dedicated to the wars and military technology that were used during the era(s) when the UK was an empire, and considered an imperial power.

I don't really see how it can offend anyone.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:17 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:Imperial war museum sounds more impressive, war museum is dull and boring.

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Postby The Green Union » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:24 am

It recounts the history of the Empire's wars . . .

Its name should stay the same. Just consider the WWI exhibit (a must see, by the way), which has an entire section devoted to the contributions of the Crown's overseas colonies, the empire's colonies.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:27 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Imperial war museum sounds more impressive, war museum is dull and boring.

Museum Of Our Victories Over The Uncivilised, The Barely Civilised, And The French.


Don't forget the Spanish! And the Irish!
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:38 am

The Green Union wrote:It recounts the history of the Empire's wars . . .

Its name should stay the same. Just consider the WWI exhibit (a must see, by the way), which has an entire section devoted to the contributions of the Crown's overseas colonies, the empire's colonies.

Well if its remit is every war since 1914, what about the wars since Britain stopped being an empire?


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Ifreann wrote:Museum Of Our Victories Over The Uncivilised, The Barely Civilised, And The French.


Don't forget the Spanish! And the Irish!

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Postby Hirota » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:39 am

Frank Zipper wrote:surely it must be very uncomfortable for some service personnel
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:52 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Which war since hasn't been imperial in nature?
Isn't all war kind of imperial?

Maybe the falklands.


That's a good question. I'm not sure I would say they were all about British imperialism though.


True. But it's not called that :p
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:55 am

Imperial War Museum sounds so badass though.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:57 am

Nah. I mean, how long was it the British Empire, the 90s wasn't it? Imperial is just a term to refer to how it was an Empire
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:02 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Nah. I mean, how long was it the British Empire, the 90s wasn't it?

Yup, the British Empire only existed in the 1990's...
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:03 am

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:Nah. I mean, how long was it the British Empire, the 90s wasn't it?

Yup, the British Empire only existed in the 1990's...

No I mean, when was it stopped being called the British Empire
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:10 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:No I mean, when was it stopped being called the British Empire

"Officially" it was never called the "British Empire". But the end of the British Empire as a concept came to end in 1997, with the handover of Hong Kong back to the People's Republic of China.

However, just because something dies, doesn't mean that names, such as the Imperial War Museum, need to be changed. It would smell too much of cultural whitewashing to me, if the human race felt the need to rename something as soon as something else phases out of existence...
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