Is President Donald John Trump a Fascist ?

[United Minorities for Self-Defense]

Donald Trump is a fascist.

When you call somebody a fascist, you can mean any number of things. Often, it means no more than “somebody I don’t like.” It is an all-purpose epithet, usable by anyone against everyone from university deans to Fox News anchors. For that reason, the label should be used sparingly — saved for special occasions. As with “Nazi” or “Hitler,” it is often said that in any discussion, the first person reduced to using such a word has lost the argument
( The asove came from https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... fc0caaee53)

Wikipedia notes that fascism is " ... a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[3][4]
( Wikipedia can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism)

To most people, President Donald John Trump would seem to be a different kind of President. But does his policies agree with the definition of fascism ? He has been extremely prejudiced against Middle Easterners, Muslims and Mexicans, but doe THIS make him a fascist ? It was worrying when he said in a speech that he was a "total nationalist". Does this mean he is the next incarnation Adolf Hitler ? A website called "Learn Progress" has noted his rhetoric ( By the way, this article can be read athttp://www.learnprogress.org/trump-exactly-hitler/) " about terrorism is meant to scare people. He can then use that fear to get what he wants
So he starts off with a Muslim Travel ban on seven countries. It doesn’t matter whether the ban is effective or not.
Trump just wants to keep terrorism on people’s minds and start to build fear. He can then set the stage for a major power grab.
Hitler did the same thing in Germany 84 years ago. He used a domestic terror attack to consolidate his power
The incident in question is known as the Reichstag Fire. Assailants set the German parliament building, the Reichstag, on fire in 1933.
This attack took place less than one month after Hitler was named German Chancellor. Hitler realized this was the perfect opportunity to get rid of his Communist rivals in Parliament.
Hitler’s government arrested a mentally ill Dutch Communist for the fire. Hitler then blamed the Communists for the attack and said it was part of a Communist uprising to overthrow the government.
Hitler said on the night of the fire, “This is a God-given signal! If this fire, as I believe, turns out to be the handiwork of Communists, then there is nothing that shall stop us now crushing out this murderous pest with an iron fist.”
Hitler then issued the Reichstag Fire Decree, which ended the freedom of the press, assembly, and free speech. Hitler also had members of his rival party arrested.
Trump’s rhetoric and tactics are eerily similar to Hitler’s. He’s already set the stage to follow in Hitler’s footsteps by suggesting that anyone opposes his travel ban is putting the nation at risk.
Then if there’s an attack on the country, Trump can use it as an excuse to issue more executive orders to seize more power. And so far Congress is unwilling to stand up to Trump, since the cowardly Republicans are in charge.
Make no mistake, Trump is a serious threat to our freedoms




So what do you think NSers ? Should we flee the country ? Stay ?
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[Major-Tom]

Was Obama a socialist?

[Erutenia]

Was Obama a socialist?

Was Bush Jr a jew?

[United Minorities for Self-Defense]

Was Obama a socialist?

I don't know. You are wayyyyyyyyyyy smarter than me. Was he ?

[United Minorities for Self-Defense]

Was Obama a socialist?

Was Bush Jr a jew?

Again, I can neither confirm nor deny he was of the Jewish faith. You know everything so you tell me.

[Major-Tom]

Was Obama a socialist?

I don't know. You are wayyyyyyyyyyy smarter than me. Was he ?

I am, thanks. Point is, Trump isn't fascist, Obama isn't socialist, Bush Jr wasn't evil. All these accusations and mudslinging and hysteria only further divides what should be a united country.

[East Catalina]

Was Obama a socialist?

I don't know. You are wayyyyyyyyyyy smarter than me. Was he ?

No. Trump isn't a fascist either. Like Napoleon and Juan Manuel de Rosas, he is too much of a narcissist to be an ideologue unless narcissism has mutated into a political belief.

[Wickedly evil people]

Obama is a statist, just like his gangster mentors the Daley family.

[Intrapolia]

Yes

[Soyuzistan]

It's like calling Obama a Socialist as major tom said. It has no backing nor did he himself admit he was/is a socialist. And he doesn't have any fascist style policies such as abolishing democracy itself.

[Zombie Swarms]

Trump, although he have major right wing politics, is FAR from fascism. He is capitalist, af...

[Libre France]

I think that dilutes the meaning of fascism, and people these days throw too much words like this around for shock value.
A populist, a nationalist, I can conceive. But a fascist, certainly not.

[Bressen]

Until he implements a policy that is undeniably fascist in nature, then no. In the meantime, people like to throw around labels as if they mean something - which is prominent on both sides of the political spectrum (á la ''Bernie is a communist'').

[United Minorities for Self-Defense]

I don't know. You are wayyyyyyyyyyy smarter than me. Was he ?

No. Trump isn't a fascist either. Like Napoleon and Juan Manuel de Rosas, he is too much of a narcissist to be an ideologue unless narcissism has mutated into a political belief.

Yep. I agree. He has a serious mental illness called Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I think it disqualifies him from office. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissis ... y_disorder

[Soyouso]

Yeah no. I'm not afraid of the guy at all. To be fair, pople were already scared about terrorism. I don't see much similarity to Adolf, besides being far right, having a ton of support, and rallying afraid people of a nation. He doesn't come off as fascist to me, just a very obnoxious nationalist. And even if he eventually turns out to be, I'm not afraid of that man. IC (while I'm not of the same mindset as the character, of course), Soyouso's nation's leader is a fascist. They're so authoritarian where they will actually kill people if they say anything implying they aren't a nationalist or royalist. While not all fascist leaders have gone that power crazy, some being more moderate, Trump isn't authoritarian enough to be fascist in my opinion, but if he turns out to be I would not be surprised nor would I care.

[Erutenia]

Again, I can neither confirm nor deny he was of the Jewish faith. You know everything so you tell me.

I dunno, i'm not from the US but Trump is not Fascist, for me, Trump it's just the sleeping anti-everything Republican.

If he is a Fascist, then the clowns want my Manjuice... and Bush is a jew.

[Seangoli]

Until he implements a policy that is undeniably fascist in nature, then no. In the meantime, people like to throw around labels as if they mean something - which is prominent on both sides of the political spectrum (á la ''Bernie is a communist'').

To be frank he is very closely aligned with more classic fascism than anybody cares to realize. He's a fierce corporatist, nationalist, and populist. He has shown open disdain for any form of opposition, has attempted to invoke policy unilaterally (And failed miserably at it), and him and his supporters espouse ideas that fly in the face of the basic tenets of modern liberal democracy (Liberal not referring to the popular political connotations, but instead to actual definition of the terms towards how modern democracies, particularly ours, are set up). He supports protectionist policies, while maintaining interventionist attitudes towards the military, particularly when these actions are done for the benefit of the US.

If all of this isn't fascistic in nature, I frankly do not know what is. People think Fascism is equatable to Nazism, however the two are very different concepts and are not entirely related. Trump is more akin to Mussolini in his demeanor and mannerisms than he is to Hitler. A watered-down, impotent, tangerine flavored and largely powerless Mussolini, but that's neither here nor there. One doesn't need to be successful at being a fascist in order to promote fascistic ideas.

[United Muscovite Nations]

No, fascism is a very specific ideology, and we shouldn't deprive it of the ideological importance it has by diluting the meaning with any kind of somewhat right-wing, somewhat authoritarian-minded government.

[Calladan]

Be honest - did you just cut and paste this from another site? Because the HUGE amount of trailing white space at the bottom plus a random set of links and a demand to subscribe to some random thing at the end is clearly a dead give away......

[Neu Leonstein]

I recommend Umberto Eco: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

But no, Trump is not a fascist. He shares some of the same emotional tendencies (as per Eco), but it doesn't go much beyond that. He lacks the sophistication to ascribe any sort consistent ideology to him.

[Fascist Republic of Israel]

I really hope so

[Major-Tom]

I recommend Umberto Eco: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

But no, Trump is not a fascist. He shares some of the same emotional tendencies (as per Eco), but it doesn't go much beyond that. He lacks the sophistication to ascribe any sort consistent ideology to him.

Narcissist and populist. Very little substance.

[East Catalina]

Be honest - did you just cut and paste this from another site? Because the HUGE amount of trailing white space at the bottom plus a random set of links and a demand to subscribe to some random thing at the end is clearly a dead give away......

It's from Learn Progress.
Wait, nope, the opening was also on the Post.
Here...
And here is where I suspect the rest originates.

[East Catalina]

I really hope so

You'll be disappointed.

[Bressen]

Until he implements a policy that is undeniably fascist in nature, then no. In the meantime, people like to throw around labels as if they mean something - which is prominent on both sides of the political spectrum (á la ''Bernie is a communist'').

To be frank he is very closely aligned with more classic fascism than anybody cares to realize. He's a fierce corporatist, nationalist, and populist. He has shown open disdain for any form of opposition, has attempted to invoke policy unilaterally (And failed miserably at it), and him and his supporters espouse ideas that fly in the face of the basic tenets of modern liberal democracy (Liberal not referring to the popular political connotations, but instead to actual definition of the terms towards how modern democracies, particularly ours, are set up). He supports protectionist policies, while maintaining interventionist attitudes towards the military, particularly when these actions are done for the benefit of the US.

If all of this isn't fascistic in nature, I frankly do not know what is.

Whilst I see the element of nationalism and populism (not entirely sure what is wrong with the latter), I'm yet to see any true elements of authoritarianism in his presidency, and I don't think it's dubious to claim that authoritarianism is the key link that most people will make to fascism whenever they make the claim of fascism against someone. Particularly, I'm not seeing him advocating for a one-party state - he's just opposing the opposite side, which is pretty commonplace as far as politics go.