German Federal Election 2017

[Kennlind]

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/germany-sex-marriage-week-merkel-announces-change-heart/

Huh.

This shocked me too. Something changed.

Yeah another instance of Merkel changing her views. Evident she just wants votes.

[Eredion]

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/germany-sex-marriage-week-merkel-announces-change-heart/

Huh.

Another perfect political power display of Merkel.
With one hand she takes out all the wind out of the sails the SPD just got by saying only days earlier that they would not sign any coalition treaty without the marriage for all standing in it.
With the other she keeps her entire faction, including the sister party in harmony, by not forcing them to vote one way.
Merkel is heralded as making the marriage for all (that 2/3 of the German populace agree on) possible with her centre-right party. The CDU is not seen as this arch-conservative party, but as a centre-right party which can go with the times. The SPD can only say they had the idea, but like with minimung wage and all other proposals made by them, nobody cares about who had the idea, but about who made it possible.

Within days this woman made it impossible for the SPD to garner any momentum with this potentially very publically discussed topic in which the SPD had the better position.
This is the secret on how she made it so long and will (hopefully) make it another 4 years.

[Baltenstein]

About time. Seeing how there has been a majority support for gay marriage in German popular opinion for many years now, it's sort of a wonder nobody brought this up earlier. Legalizing it will be a nice gesture during Merkel's last legislative period.

[Omnonia]

So much for my hope of Germany one day becoming pioneer of "civil unions for all, marriage for none", then.

But I reckon suboptimal as this legislation change is if it goes through... the change neccessary to the constitution (Art 6.1... blot of shame on an otherwise good document, IMHO) to reach a better outcome would have taken a century.

I won't be celebrating, but I guess a large bunch of folks just got what they wished for.

[Eredion]

About time. Seeing how there has been a majority support for gay marriage in German popular opinion for many years now, it's sort of a wonder nobody brought this up earlier. Legalizing it will be a nice gesture during Merkel's last legislative period.

You mean the one starting after 24th of September?

[Baltenstein]

About time. Seeing how there has been a majority support for gay marriage in German popular opinion for many years now, it's sort of a wonder nobody brought this up earlier. Legalizing it will be a nice gesture during Merkel's last legislative period.

You mean the one starting after 24th of September?

Obviously. Unless they rush it through before the elections for some reasons.

[Arotania]

They do. They are planning to vote this Friday:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/e ... 54789.html
(too lazy to hunt for an English source)

[Socialist Nordia]

Its official, Germany has voted to legalise gay marriage!

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Its official, Germany has voted to legalise gay marriage!

And at the same time the terrible rain is setting in again.
It seems like god will throw another "Sintflut" at us for this one.
Where's Noah when you need him?

[Othelos]

This shocked me too. Something changed.

Yeah another instance of Merkel changing her views. Evident she just wants votes.

She voted against it. But yeah the whole thing was a political calculation.

[Eredion]

Yeah another instance of Merkel changing her views. Evident she just wants votes.

She voted against it. But yeah the whole thing was a political calculation.

You could also say that whole thing was a political calculation by the SPD and not Merkel. They had 4 years of a R2G majority, if not stable enough for a whole coalition, they won´t stop blabbing about how great they worked together on this one. So why wait until 3 months until election day.

Merkel just disarmed this sensitive topic and so it stayed on the fringes of the German political sphere and in 3 weeks tops nobody will give a crap. The CDU/CSU is still at 40% and the SPD at around 25% with not even a majority for R2G in sight.

It is also unclear whether or not the law passes into effect, due to the constitution being written very specifically on the issue of marriage as being between woman and man. The Bundestag needs a 2/3 majority to ratify the change of the constitution and they won´t get that.

[Omnonia]

It is also unclear whether or not the law passes into effect, due to the constitution being written very specifically on the issue of marriage as being between woman and man. The Bundestag needs a 2/3 majority to ratify the change of the constitution and they won´t get that.

It isn't. It does give "special protection to marriage" - the one sentence in the constitution that grates my cheese to no end - but it does not specify, nor strongly imply, that marriage is to be seen as "one man, one woman".

[Eredion]

It is also unclear whether or not the law passes into effect, due to the constitution being written very specifically on the issue of marriage as being between woman and man. The Bundestag needs a 2/3 majority to ratify the change of the constitution and they won´t get that.

It isn't. It does give "special protection to marriage" - the one sentence in the constitution that grates my cheese to no end - but it does not specify, nor strongly imply, that marriage is to be seen as "one man, one woman".

I had it messed up in my mind, I withdraw.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Its official, Germany has voted to legalise gay marriage!

They also vote to censor the internet!

[Eredion]

Its official, Germany has voted to legalise gay marriage!

They also vote to censor the internet!

Kraut and Tea, the top news source for object truths... not really. He´s just another Youtube "sceptic" alt-righter. I personally would look sceptically at every one of his statements, even if he just said 2+2=4.

[Major-Tom]

They also vote to censor the internet!

Kraut and Tea, the top news source for object truths... not really. He´s just another Youtube "sceptic" alt-righter. I personally would look sceptically at every one of his statements, even if he just said 2+2=4.

So, a wannabe youtube pundit, basically? Fuck those guys.

[Minzerland II]

They also vote to censor the internet!

Kraut and Tea, the top news source for object truths... not really. He´s just another Youtube "sceptic" alt-righter. I personally would look sceptically at every one of his statements, even if he just said 2+2=4.

Try to contend Kraut and Tea's video instead of talking negatively of him, please. What is the point otherwise?

[Eredion]

Kraut and Tea, the top news source for object truths... not really. He´s just another Youtube "sceptic" alt-righter. I personally would look sceptically at every one of his statements, even if he just said 2+2=4.

Try to contend Kraut and Tea's video instead of talking negatively of him, please. What is the point otherwise?

There is nothing to contend about this video.
He starts out with complaining about how the Bundestag can dare to vote on more than one bill a day. Then for almost the entirety of the rest of the video complains about too little media coverage on the subject.
That´s it, he does not go into the specifics of the bill, other than Facebook and Twitter now apparently have to whatever the government wants from them in terms of censorship.

[Republic Of Varra]

They also vote to censor the internet!

Kraut and Tea, the top news source for object truths... not really. He´s just another Youtube "sceptic" alt-righter. I personally would look sceptically at every one of his statements, even if he just said 2+2=4.

"Alt-righter"

Literally against even joking about nazis. Is even a left-leaning libertarian. Actually condemns alt-right people.

But yeah because he's a Youtube skeptic that makes him alt-right.

[Minzerland II]

Try to contend Kraut and Tea's video instead of talking negatively of him, please. What is the point otherwise?

There is nothing to contend about this video.
He starts out with complaining about how the Bundestag can dare to vote on more than one bill a day. Then for almost the entirety of the rest of the video complains about too little media coverage on the subject.
That´s it, he does not go into the specifics of the bill, other than Facebook and Twitter now apparently have to whatever the government wants from them in terms of censorship.

If there was nothing to contend about the video, then why contend it on basis of its creator?

[Neo Balka]

Kraut and Tea, the top news source for object truths... not really. He´s just another Youtube "sceptic" alt-righter. I personally would look sceptically at every one of his statements, even if he just said 2+2=4.

"Alt-righter"

Literally against even joking about nazis. Is even a left-leaning libertarian. Actually condemns alt-right people.

But yeah because he's a Youtube skeptic that makes him alt-right.

How dare someone criticize the german government, what is he? A Nazi?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Try to contend Kraut and Tea's video instead of talking negatively of him, please. What is the point otherwise?

There is nothing to contend about this video.
He starts out with complaining about how the Bundestag can dare to vote on more than one bill a day. Then for almost the entirety of the rest of the video complains about too little media coverage on the subject.
That´s it, he does not go into the specifics of the bill, other than Facebook and Twitter now apparently have to whatever the government wants from them in terms of censorship.

So you're saying censorship is okay?

[Geilinor]

There is nothing to contend about this video.
He starts out with complaining about how the Bundestag can dare to vote on more than one bill a day. Then for almost the entirety of the rest of the video complains about too little media coverage on the subject.
That´s it, he does not go into the specifics of the bill, other than Facebook and Twitter now apparently have to whatever the government wants from them in terms of censorship.

So you're saying censorship is okay?

It's not censorship, any more than current German law is. It just increases the fines for content that's already illegal.

[Liriena]

Kraut and Tea

This guy?

[Liriena]

They also vote to censor the internet!

Fake news. Sad.