German Federal Election 2017

[Pasong Tirad]

What's this about a power struggle within the AfD?

[NS Miami Shores]

I used too like Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany. I have always been a strong supporter of the concept of Europe, as a Union of European Nations. But what has realy been tearing the European Union apart, is the massive immigration of a very different non traditional non European culture. In her decision to allow over a million muslim immgrants in one year, and calling for more, she went too far. Don't get me wrong, I have always liked Chancellor Angela Merkel. She has been doing great for Germany, on the economy and such, she is a nice caring Lady, but she went too far. Personally I still like the Lady.

To my knowledge, not all 1 million will be able to stay. It is asylum, not permanent immigration. Furthermore, she signed a (shady) deal with Erdogan (asshole) to prevent further refugees from coming to Germany.

She admits she fucked up, but AFD isn't the solution. Germany has handled worse, I think they can deal with this temporary issue without resorting to extreme nationalism and intense fearmongering.

I used too like Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany. I have always been a strong supporter of the concept of Europe, as a Union of European Nations. But what has realy been tearing the European Union apart, is the massive immigration of a very different non traditional non European culture. In her decision to allow over a million muslim immgrants in one year, and calling for more, she went too far. Don't get me wrong, I have always liked Chancellor Angela Merkel. She has been doing great for Germany, on the economy and such, she is a nice caring Lady, but she went too far. Personally I still like the Lady.

Permanent immigration or not the 800,000 or 1,000,000 still live there. Most probably would get German citizenship eventually. I don't know if Germany has citizenship by birth or not. If so the children of the immigrants would get automatic German citizenship. Their is nothing wrong with welcoming legal vetted immigrants from many lands. But every nation strives to keep an overall balance of its native population and culture, even Mexico.

Germany and Europe need to increase their native origin population. They did it once, with Germans from East Germany, and Eastern Europe, increasing the German birth rate. Granted, East Germany is now part of Germany. Their might not be many more potential German immigrants in other parts of Germany willing to emigrate to Germany. Either way Angela Merkle went too far, it could cause her and her party the election. She has been doing great for Germany, on the economy and such, she is a nice caring Lady, but she went too far. Personally I still like the Lady.

[Eredion]

What's this about a power struggle within the AfD?

An all to common sight in upcoming parties. Everybody thinks they´ll be the new leader of the people and start using the party as their own platform to boost their agenda. Everybody shouts and screams at another until one wing of the party behind the most media attractive member wins.
Here it is between the right wingers "Nationalkonservativer Flügel" and the faaaaar right wingers also called "Völkischer Flüger"
Before it was between the Eurosceptic Liberals and the right wingers, who eventually won.

The bad news (for the AfD) is that a) the people do not like a disjunified party that is more concerned with its own problems than the country to do anything, even if they are just a protest and one-topic party. And b) most people that are considered right wing in Germany and vote for the AfD still want nothing to do with the faaaaar right wingers in the AfD. Meaning that if this wing can successfully radicalise the party even more, it can lead to a big chunk of their voter pool wandering off to the next best option, the CDU.

[Neu Leonstein]

Most probably would get German citizenship eventually. I don't know if Germany has citizenship by birth or not.

You don't normally follow a politically-charged claim with an admission that you don't know what you're talking about in the next sentence.

[Shetl]

Meaning that if this wing can successfully radicalise the party even more, it can lead to a big chunk of their voter pool wandering off to the next best option, the CDU.

CDU & CSU members formed a neocon, explicitly anti-Merkel wing last week ("freiheitlich-konservativer Aufbruch" or FKA). I guess the CDU does care about integration...

[Free Tristania]

I'm hoping for a good performance from AfD as part of the wider "patriotic spring". A divided EU is one that's in a weaker negotiating position for the Brexit negotiations. Might also improve general European security by putting more pressure to remedy Merkel's mass migration mistake.

Honestly my sympathies would naturally be primarily with The Left but when it comes to foreign elections I'm more interested in the possible connotations on my side of the moat.

Same here. Maybe a wider Patriotic Spring would solve a lot of the problems that are currently plaguing Europe: mass illegal migration and the lack of accountability in both national and European governments.. But a PS would be well served if it is combined with a Democratic Spring by insisting that governments hand over more power to the people themselves: we need mandatory corrective referendums and widespread public consultation.

[Eredion]

Meaning that if this wing can successfully radicalise the party even more, it can lead to a big chunk of their voter pool wandering off to the next best option, the CDU.

CDU & CSU members formed a neocon, explicitly anti-Merkel wing last week ("freiheitlich-konservativer Aufbruch" or FKA). I guess the CDU does care about integration...

Uhhhhh, I bet now she is pissing her pants in fear of the FKA. Kohl survived his first coup attempt. Lucke could not save his AfD from becoming what it is now with his Weckruf and most recently nothing happened as the very same anti-Merkel politicians signed a Brandbrief.
If she wins the election those politicians will never be heard of again, they are betting all their political capital that they have left on Merkel losing as they almost have nothing to lose against the overlord that is Merkel, if they win they are in a much better position to put one of them in charge. They don´t care anymore about integration than every other CDU politician, they care about their own power.

[Eredion]

I'm hoping for a good performance from AfD as part of the wider "patriotic spring". A divided EU is one that's in a weaker negotiating position for the Brexit negotiations. Might also improve general European security by putting more pressure to remedy Merkel's mass migration mistake.

Honestly my sympathies would naturally be primarily with The Left but when it comes to foreign elections I'm more interested in the possible connotations on my side of the moat.

Same here. Maybe a wider Patriotic Spring would solve a lot of the problems that are currently plaguing Europe: mass illegal migration and the lack of accountability in both national and European governments.. But a PS would be well served if it is combined with a Democratic Spring by insisting that governments hand over more power to the people themselves: we need mandatory corrective referendums and widespread public consultation.

Awww hell no, the last thing I want is any more public involvement in form of referendums, I have written enough exams in school about them to know that I don´t want the side with the most popular traction and media influence to win most of the times.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I think they can deal with this temporary issue without resorting to extreme nationalism and intense fearmongering.

Look, please. Whatever counts as INTENSE NATIONALISM in a German context counts as "moderate awareness of the existence of a nationstate" in every other bloody country.

In other words, football nationalism.

[Free Tristania]

Same here. Maybe a wider Patriotic Spring would solve a lot of the problems that are currently plaguing Europe: mass illegal migration and the lack of accountability in both national and European governments.. But a PS would be well served if it is combined with a Democratic Spring by insisting that governments hand over more power to the people themselves: we need mandatory corrective referendums and widespread public consultation.

Awww hell no, the last thing I want is any more public involvement in form of referendums, I have written enough exams in school about them to know that I don´t want the side with the most popular traction and media influence to win most of the times.

The only reason to fear corrective referendums, is if you want to force an agenda upon a people. That's the only reason certain people would fear it.

[Eredion]

Awww hell no, the last thing I want is any more public involvement in form of referendums, I have written enough exams in school about them to know that I don´t want the side with the most popular traction and media influence to win most of the times.

The only reason to fear corrective referendums, is if you want to force an agenda upon a people. That's the only reason certain people would fear it.

No I fear them for the very uncorrecting effect of corrective referendums. People make emotional choices and not rational choices, its enough to intrust them to determine the general way the country is headed every 4 or 5 years.

[Free Tristania]

The only reason to fear corrective referendums, is if you want to force an agenda upon a people. That's the only reason certain people would fear it.

No I fear them for the very uncorrecting effect of corrective referendums. People make emotional choices and not rational choices, its enough to intrust them to determine the general way the country is headed every 4 or 5 years.

They don't determine anything at all as there is a huge difference between what politicians say and what they do and the difference is there because people can't correct them. Politicians don't make rational choices either: they just serve their own interests.

[Eredion]

No I fear them for the very uncorrecting effect of corrective referendums. People make emotional choices and not rational choices, its enough to intrust them to determine the general way the country is headed every 4 or 5 years.

They don't determine anything at all as there is a huge difference between what politicians say and what they do and the difference is there because people can't correct them. Politicians don't make rational choices either: they just serve their own interests.

But I trust them to have the better judgement with a legion of experts at their disposal, instead of people knowing what to vote for from Facebook.

[Free Tristania]

They don't determine anything at all as there is a huge difference between what politicians say and what they do and the difference is there because people can't correct them. Politicians don't make rational choices either: they just serve their own interests.

But I trust them to have the better judgement with a legion of experts at their disposal, instead of people knowing what to vote for from Facebook.

Better experts in corruption, maybe. But that's about it.

[Eredion]

But I trust them to have the better judgement with a legion of experts at their disposal, instead of people knowing what to vote for from Facebook.

Better experts in corruption, maybe. But that's about it.

Yeah, people have had enough of experts telling them what to do.
Wtf?! If someone who studied economics told me that one option is hurting, while the other one is not then I´d choose the one which is not hurting.
Problem is, in a referendum the people get their reasons to vote for their favored option from things on busses and "news" on Facebook that occasionally are photoshopped as well.

[Gyrenaica]

German Elections 2013 on NS
AFD got 0.5% of the votes on the poll and was the least popular individual party


In this poll, AFD holds 32% of the vote and is in the lead. What a change.

[Eredion]

German Elections 2013 on NS
AFD got 0.5% of the votes on the poll and was the least popular individual party


In this poll, AFD holds 32% of the vote and is in the lead. What a change.

Back then they were not known as the super far right party of today. Back then they were liberals with conservative flows in their party. Now the internet can gobble them up as it always does. Because NSG attracts the extremes of the political compass, a lot of communists and socialists and a lot of very far right-wingers. But back in the real world the AfD will never get 32% of the vote.

[NS Miami Shores]

As a non German, I don't know if Germany has citizenship by birth regardless of immigration status. My guess is it does not. But Permanent immigration or not the 800,000 or 1,000,000 immigrants to Germany or any nation still live there. Still have kids in that nation. Whom would probably get German citizenship eventually. If that ethnic population grows to a majority, plurality or considerable minority, at some point they are going to demand German citizenship. That is what I meant on a previous post. I did not explain my post correctly. Their is nothing wrong with welcoming legal vetted immigrants from many lands. But every nation strives to keep an overall balance of its native population and culture, even Mexico.

[Pasong Tirad]

Their is nothing wrong with welcoming legal vetted immigrants from many lands. But every nation strives to keep an overall balance of its native population and culture, even Mexico.

Thus says the 21st-century nativist, using an ethnically diverse country as an example.

Merkel's immigrants are legal. 66 million people in Germany is ethnically German, I think they should be fine.

[NS Miami Shores]

Their is nothing wrong with welcoming legal vetted immigrants from many lands. But every nation strives to keep an overall balance of its native population and culture, even Mexico.

Thus says the 21st-century nativist, using an ethnically diverse country as an example.

Merkel's immigrants are legal. 66 million people in Germany is ethnically German, I think they should be fine.

Their is nothing wrong with welcoming legal vetted immigrants from many lands. But every nation strives to keep an overall balance of its native population and culture, even Mexico.

Thus says the 21st-century nativist, using an ethnically diverse country as an example.

Merkel's immigrants are legal. 66 million people in Germany is ethnically German, I think they should be fine.

" Thus says the 21st-century nativist" That so called insult or jab, is no insult or jab, I wear it with Pride. So thus says the 21 st-century nativist:

Every year Mexico receives legal immigrants. Every year Mexio deports illegal immigrants. Mexico puts conditions on it's immigrants just like any other nation does. I used to know a Cuban who emigrated legally to the USA through Mexico. The Mexican government would not let him work in Mexico, he had to rely on remittances $ help from US family and friends. The Mexican gov kept puttin obstacles in his way. Today he has a good decent job in the USA. Even President Obama deported illegal immigrants, not all just criminals. The same President who welcomed immigrants, and deported immigrants when it suited his calculated political interests. The deporter in Chief. Recently a few days before leaving office, cancelled the wet foot, dry foot policy on Cubans. Stranding thousands of Cuban migrants all over Hispanic latin America. Granted, President Trump was expected to do the same thing.

To be fair and balanced like Fox News:

Recently Cubans I'm Mexio, most or all who want to eventually emigrate to the USA, have been threatened with Deportation back to Cuba by the Mexican government. Have had to protest, demand and beg to stay in Mexico, to not be deported back to Cuba.

" In mid-March, 49 Cubans were deported and at the end of January another 91, both groups from the souther Mexican state of Chiapas. At the Siglo XXI immigration detention center in Tapachula, about 20 Cubans were released last month amid denunciations of mistreatment and irregularities by the Mexican authorities".

The gov of Panama is also threating to deport Cubans back to Cuba. I could provide links to that too, but this should do.

But now that policy of Mexico is changing. But it has not been automatic out of the kindness of their hearts and immigration policies. But to be fair and balanced like Fox news here it is:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 33239.html

The massive immigration of a very different general European culture, the incidents with muslim immigrants in Germany and across Europe, is what is tearing the European Union apart. I think many Europeans don't want to admit or face this fact. The immigration of 800,00 or 1,000,000 immigrants in a year or so. It's what is causing Angela Merkel's popularity in the election polls to go down. I think millions of those native ethnic German citizen voters would agree with me. A lady I still happen to like, but she went to far.

So says the 21 st-century nativist with Pride.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

" Thus says the 21st-century nativist" That so called insult or jab, is no insult or jab, I wear it with Pride. So thus says the 21 st-century nativist:

Every year Mexico receives legal immigrants. Every year Mexio deports illegal immigrants. Mexico puts conditions on it's immigrants just like any other nation does. I used to know a Cuban who emigrated legally to the USA through Mexico. The Mexican government would not let him work in Mexico, he had to rely on remittances $ help from US family and friends. The Mexican gov kept puttin obstacles in his way. Today he has a good decent job in the USA. Even President Obama deported illegal immigrants, not all just criminals. The same President who welcomed immigrants, and deported immigrants when it suited his calculated political interests. The deporter in Chief. Recently a few days before leaving office, cancelled the wet foot, dry foot policy on Cubans. Stranding thousands of Cuban migrants all over Hispanic latin America. Granted, President Trump was expected to do the same thing.

To be fair and balanced like Fox News:

Recently Cubans I'm Mexio, most or all who want to eventually emigrate to the USA, have been threatened with Deportation back to Cuba by the Mexican government. Have had to protest, demand and beg to stay in Mexico, to not be deported back to Cuba.

" In mid-March, 49 Cubans were deported and at the end of January another 91, both groups from the souther Mexican state of Chiapas. At the Siglo XXI immigration detention center in Tapachula, about 20 Cubans were released last month amid denunciations of mistreatment and irregularities by the Mexican authorities".

The gov of Panama is also threating to deport Cubans back to Cuba. I could provide links to that too, but this should do.

But now that policy of Mexico is changing. But it has not been automatic out of the kindness of their hearts and immigration policies. But to be fair and balanced like Fox news here it is:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 33239.html

The massive immigration of a very different general European culture, the incidents with muslim immigrants in Germany and across Europe, is what is tearing the European Union apart. I think many Europeans don't want to admit or face this fact. The immigration of 800,00 or 1,000,000 immigrants in a year or so. It's what is causing Angela Merkel's popularity in the election polls to go down. I think millions of those native ethnic German citizen voters would agree with me. A lady I still happen to like, but she went to far.

So says the 21 st-century nativist with Pride.

And yet Angela Merkel and her CDU seem to be in the front again.
A triple glory plez!
Glory to Germany! Glory to the CDU! Glory to Merkel!

[Eredion]

And yet Angela Merkel and her CDU seem to be in the front again.
A triple glory plez!
Glory to Germany! Glory to the CDU! Glory to Merkel!

*Cues Preußen´s Gloria*
Glory to Germany! Glory to the CDU! Glory to the Empress Merkel!

[NS Miami Shores]

" Thus says the 21st-century nativist" That so called insult or jab, is no insult or jab, I wear it with Pride. So thus says the 21 st-century nativist:

Every year Mexico receives legal immigrants. Every year Mexio deports illegal immigrants. Mexico puts conditions on it's immigrants just like any other nation does. I used to know a Cuban who emigrated legally to the USA through Mexico. The Mexican government would not let him work in Mexico, he had to rely on remittances $ help from US family and friends. The Mexican gov kept puttin obstacles in his way. Today he has a good decent job in the USA. Even President Obama deported illegal immigrants, not all just criminals. The same President who welcomed immigrants, and deported immigrants when it suited his calculated political interests. The deporter in Chief. Recently a few days before leaving office, cancelled the wet foot, dry foot policy on Cubans. Stranding thousands of Cuban migrants all over Hispanic latin America. Granted, President Trump was expected to do the same thing.

To be fair and balanced like Fox News:

Recently Cubans I'm Mexio, most or all who want to eventually emigrate to the USA, have been threatened with Deportation back to Cuba by the Mexican government. Have had to protest, demand and beg to stay in Mexico, to not be deported back to Cuba.

" In mid-March, 49 Cubans were deported and at the end of January another 91, both groups from the souther Mexican state of Chiapas. At the Siglo XXI immigration detention center in Tapachula, about 20 Cubans were released last month amid denunciations of mistreatment and irregularities by the Mexican authorities".

The gov of Panama is also threating to deport Cubans back to Cuba. I could provide links to that too, but this should do.

But now that policy of Mexico is changing. But it has not been automatic out of the kindness of their hearts and immigration policies. But to be fair and balanced like Fox news here it is:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 33239.html

The massive immigration of a very different general European culture, the incidents with muslim immigrants in Germany and across Europe, is what is tearing the European Union apart. I think many Europeans don't want to admit or face this fact. The immigration of 800,00 or 1,000,000 immigrants in a year or so. It's what is causing Angela Merkel's popularity in the election polls to go down. I think millions of those native ethnic German citizen voters would agree with me. A lady I still happen to like, but she went to far.

So says the 21 st-century nativist with Pride.

And yet Angela Merkel and her CDU seem to be in the front again.
A triple glory plez!
Glory to Germany! Glory to the CDU! Glory to Merkel!

If she wins the election, I's as the old saying goes, it's the economy stupid. I give her credit for that. I don't want her to loose the election. I like the Lady.

[Baltenstein]

And yet Angela Merkel and her CDU seem to be in the front again.
A triple glory plez!
Glory to Germany! Glory to the CDU! Glory to Merkel!

*cue music*

Heil dir im Siegerkranz
Mutti des Vaterlands
Heil Merkel dir

Fühl in des Amtes Glanz
Die hohe Wonne ganz
Mutti des Volks zu sein
Heil Merkel dir

[Greater Miami Shores]

And yet Angela Merkel and her CDU seem to be in the front again.
A triple glory plez!
Glory to Germany! Glory to the CDU! Glory to Merkel!

*cue music*

Heil dir im Siegerkranz
Mutti des Vaterlands
Heil Merkel dir

Fühl in des Amtes Glanz
Die hohe Wonne ganz
Mutti des Volks zu sein
Heil Merkel dir

The video sounds nice in German, wish I could understand the words, can you provide a translation link of the lyrics?