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Which German party do you support?

Christian Democratic Union
93
14%
Social Democratic Party
152
23%
The Left
95
14%
Alliance '90/ The Greens
30
5%
Free Democratic Party
55
8%
Alternative for Germany
214
33%
Other
17
3%
 
Total votes : 656

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Postby Eredion » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:46 pm

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Eredion wrote:I notice that Merkel keeps delegating more and more tasks from state level to federal level and from other ministries directly to the German Chancellery. I like this approach because we have got so many sloppy ministries in 16 states and then one on the federal level who can´t coordinate properly on many issues and then the god-chancellor comes in and like the proud father of our nation takes matters into her own (more specifically the minister of the German chancellery) hands.

Eiserne Kanzlerin confirmed

We´ll take back the Elsass any day now.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:47 pm

Eredion wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Eiserne Kanzlerin confirmed

We´ll take back the Elsass any day now.

What do we want with those frenchies lol?
No, our ambitions lie within Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, the Netherlands and northern Belgium!
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Postby Eredion » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:13 pm

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Eredion wrote:We´ll take back the Elsass any day now.

What do we want with those frenchies lol?
No, our ambitions lie within Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, the Netherlands and northern Belgium!

And then the whole of Europe under our EU.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:15 pm

Eredion wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:What do we want with those frenchies lol?
No, our ambitions lie within Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, the Netherlands and northern Belgium!

And then the whole of Europe under our EU.

Psht, first the German Pact, then the European Extension...
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:17 pm

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Eredion wrote:And then the whole of Europe under our EU.

Psht, first the German Pact, then the European Extension...

♪ It's time for World War 3 ♬
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:18 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Psht, first the German Pact, then the European Extension...

♪ It's time for World War 3 ♬

Third Time's the charm they say :lol:
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:19 pm

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:♪ It's time for World War 3 ♬

Third Time's the charm they say :lol:

If it follows any established pattern, Germany tries to invade France by passing through Benelux at the beginning, spelling doom immediately.

Hopefully this time America annexes Germany.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:29 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Third Time's the charm they say :lol:

If it follows any established pattern, Germany tries to invade France by passing through Benelux at the beginning, spelling doom immediately.

Hopefully this time America annexes Germany.

Third Time's the charm they say.
This time the german flag will fly over the White House and Trump will swear fealty to Merkel.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:11 pm

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If it follows any established pattern, Germany tries to invade France by passing through Benelux at the beginning, spelling doom immediately.

Hopefully this time America annexes Germany.

Third Time's the charm they say.
This time the german flag will fly over the White House and Trump will swear fealty to Merkel.

>implying anyone could successfully invade America
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Postby Serconas » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:21 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Third Time's the charm they say.
This time the german flag will fly over the White House and Trump will swear fealty to Merkel.

>implying anyone could successfully invade America

Doesn´t Trump have German ancestry? :^)
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:58 pm

Serconas wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>implying anyone could successfully invade America

Doesn´t Trump have German ancestry? :^)

That doesn't seem relevant.
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Postby Dushan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:46 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Serconas wrote:Doesn´t Trump have German ancestry? :^)

That doesn't seem relevant.


Germany has Kelly Trump however. Which is something at least.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:14 pm

Serconas wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:>implying anyone could successfully invade America

Doesn´t Trump have German ancestry? :^)

from his father or his grandfather I think.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:27 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Serconas wrote:Doesn´t Trump have German ancestry? :^)

from his father or his grandfather I think.


He s German rather than American, so
red dawn. China will.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:47 pm

It says something about NSG's demographics that AfD is vastly overpolling here, compared to German polls.

Also, dammit, AfD is back in the low double digits. Go back to the single digits of obscurity, ye closet-nazi cullies!

Also, a bit disappointed but not entirely shocked by Schulz's SPD losing steam and falling so far behind Merkel's coalition again. Merkel is not the worst thing ever, but it'd be nice to see a definitive left-wing victory in the West for a change (Macron and Trudeau don't count, y'all).
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Postby NeoOasis » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:02 am

Liriena wrote:It says something about NSG's demographics that AfD is vastly overpolling here, compared to German polls.

Also, dammit, AfD is back in the low double digits. Go back to the single digits of obscurity, ye closet-nazi cullies!

Also, a bit disappointed but not entirely shocked by Schulz's SPD losing steam and falling so far behind Merkel's coalition again. Merkel is not the worst thing ever, but it'd be nice to see a definitive left-wing victory in the West for a change (Macron and Trudeau don't count, y'all).


From what I understand Merkel's and Schulz's differences aren't that great, and Merkel is promising stability in the known. I forget just how pragmatic Germans can be sometimes. Either way, I have a great respect for Angela Merkel, and I wish her a successful campaign.

(As for left wing victories... I thought Macron and Trudeau were centrist if anything?)
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Postby Liriena » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:09 am

NeoOasis wrote:
Liriena wrote:It says something about NSG's demographics that AfD is vastly overpolling here, compared to German polls.

Also, dammit, AfD is back in the low double digits. Go back to the single digits of obscurity, ye closet-nazi cullies!

Also, a bit disappointed but not entirely shocked by Schulz's SPD losing steam and falling so far behind Merkel's coalition again. Merkel is not the worst thing ever, but it'd be nice to see a definitive left-wing victory in the West for a change (Macron and Trudeau don't count, y'all).


From what I understand Merkel's and Schulz's differences aren't that great, and Merkel is promising stability in the known. I forget just how pragmatic Germans can be sometimes. Either way, I have a great respect for Angela Merkel, and I wish her a successful campaign.

Agreed.

NeoOasis wrote:(As for left wing victories... I thought Macron and Trudeau were centrist if anything?)

Indeed. That was my point.
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Postby Agritum » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:31 am

Liriena wrote:It says something about NSG's demographics that AfD is vastly overpolling here, compared to German polls.

Also, dammit, AfD is back in the low double digits. Go back to the single digits of obscurity, ye closet-nazi cullies!

Also, a bit disappointed but not entirely shocked by Schulz's SPD losing steam and falling so far behind Merkel's coalition again. Merkel is not the worst thing ever, but it'd be nice to see a definitive left-wing victory in the West for a change (Macron and Trudeau don't count, y'all).

Well, a lot of the failures to contain populism came either from the centre-left or the centre-right, so it's kinda time for the pure centre to step up :p

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Postby Dushan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:00 am

Liriena wrote:It says something about NSG's demographics that AfD is vastly overpolling here, compared to German polls.

Also, dammit, AfD is back in the low double digits. Go back to the single digits of obscurity, ye closet-nazi cullies!


It says more something about german voting habits than NSG. Most german voters, especially of the older generation, tend traditionally to vote for either CDU or SPD which gives them a structural advantage. This trend is however shrinking.

The AfD is likely to get between 10% and 15% in the upcomming elections. Recent polls have shown odd fluctuations that seem generally to favor smaller parties. There might be a huge stealth protest vote which may benefit the AfD, which is however plagued by generally poor performance. Depending on the performance of the SPD they might surpass them, which brings us...

Liriena wrote:Also, a bit disappointed but not entirely shocked by Schulz's SPD losing steam and falling so far behind Merkel's coalition again. Merkel is not the worst thing ever, but it'd be nice to see a definitive left-wing victory in the West for a change (Macron and Trudeau don't count, y'all).


Schulz isn't exactly left-wing, at least not more than Trudeau but rather less so. Nor is his party. The SPD is a centrist party with at best luke warm left-positions and currently being little more than (almost ridiculously) spineless Merkel auxilaries which is exactly the reason they're stuck below under 25%. The missing percentages are soaked up by the Linke which has parts that broke off from the SPD during the mid 2000s in the wake of the "neo-liberal" Agenda 2010 reforms by Gerhard Schröder. (Basically the Carlos Menem of Germany...) They have never recovered from that ever since.

I am considering those Days to place a bet on that the SPD gets less than 20% in the upcomming elections.
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Postby Agritum » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:12 am

If after everything that happened in Europe in recent years you risk getting surpassed by the damn liberals or by the DDR roleplayers in vote percentage and your biggest hope is being relevant enough in the crowded opposition, you kinda suck as a far right party and Putin will count you as a net loss.

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Postby Arotania » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:24 am

Dushan wrote: The missing percentages are soaked up by the Linke which has parts that broke off from the SPD during the mid 2000s in the wake of the "neo-liberal" Agenda 2010 reforms by Gerhard Schröder. (Basically the Carlos Menem of Germany...) They have never recovered from that ever since.


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Dushan wrote:I am considering those Days to place a bet on that the SPD gets less than 20% in the upcomming elections.

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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:40 am

Phoenicaea wrote:
The of Japan wrote:from his father or his grandfather I think.


He s German rather than American, so
red dawn. China will.

He doesn't count as german to me.
To me he's as german as Putin is so he can go and kiss Merkel's feet when she takes the White House.
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Postby Heyliges Teutsches Reich » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:01 am

From all participating parties, the AfD is the most reasonable one. The CDU betrayed its values long ago and the CSU recently too. Adenauer and F. J. Strauß wouldn't want to have anything to do with present-day CDU/CSU. They'd vote probably for the AfD or the Freie Wähler. The AfD has to enter the federal parliament.
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Postby Eredion » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:42 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:♪ It's time for World War 3 ♬

Third Time's the charm they say :lol:

My Russian friend always says we would not stand a chance against Russia, hah she got a thing coming when Merkel force lightnings the crap outta Putin.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:59 am

Eredion wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:Third Time's the charm they say :lol:

My Russian friend always says we would not stand a chance against Russia, hah she got a thing coming when Merkel force lightnings the crap outta Putin.

lel, no, that's not how it works,.
She Force Lightnings the crap out of Trump and then makes Putin her apprentice!
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