No more taxes, can you run a country with service charges

[Iwassoclose]

Can a country be run solely on service charges with 0 taxes? You pay for what you use.

For example, each kilometer you use to drive your car you get charged for the maintenance of the road. Tolls for using the road.

Service charges entering a city.

Service charges for using the hospital or getting treatment.

Service charges for getting security.

Etc.

Is this kind of system feasible?

[Jello Biafra]

That's an awful lot of cash people will have to carry around on them.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

I would not want to be part of the tech support crew in charge of maintaining and improving the gigantic system required to collect, track and log all of those little transactions.

[Great Minarchistan]

Sounds like a good utopia, because it won't work in reality. The whole structure to manage little transactions could even exceed the money gained on the government services.

A small flat income tax or just private services are better alternatives.

[Community Values]

Sounds like a good utopia, because it won't work in reality. The whole structure to manage little transactions could even exceed the money gained on the government services.

A small flat income tax or just private services are better alternatives.

There's much better taxes than flat ones.

Also, your right about the cost.

[Great Minarchistan]

Sounds like a good utopia, because it won't work in reality. The whole structure to manage little transactions could even exceed the money gained on the government services.

A small flat income tax or just private services are better alternatives.

There's much better taxes than flat ones.

Also, your right about the cost.

Eh property tax is a bit controversial but sounds uhhhh ok.

I'm still up for a small flat tax yo

[Xiangshu]

Even if it was feasible; It would mean a lot of people dying from starvation because they would have to pay just to go to the shop.

People on minimum wage who don't pay taxes and homeless people or students will all probably be confined to their cardboard boxes (assuming you aren't service charging them either) because there is no chance they would be able to afford to walk/drive/shop/get healthcare.

There would be a private police force and private prison system (which I am sure you can imagine would result in a lot of people being arrested and incarcerated)
There would be no government.
There would be no hospitals or schools because you can't service charge building public buildings.
No Military. - unless its a mercenary force.
I could name thousands of things wrong with this idea.

This is question should be obvious to anybody.

[Xiangshu]

There's much better taxes than flat ones.

Also, your right about the cost.

Eh property tax is a bit controversial but sounds uhhhh ok.

I'm still up for a small flat tax yo

Thats not something to be proud of..

[Harkback Union]

The idea is, Taxes = Service charges.

Typically, the richer you are, the more you and your companies utilize government services (subsidies, utilities, roads, educated workforce, police to guard your property...) so the more you pay.

Of course, that's not always the case. If your government is not using your taxes to provide you service, than something should be done about that. But breaking down one large sum of tax into lots of tiny bills won't really help on the bureaucratic side of things.

[Community Values]

There's much better taxes than flat ones.

Also, your right about the cost.

Eh property tax is a bit controversial but sounds uhhhh ok.

I'm still up for a small flat tax yo

Maybe we should bring this to the libertarian thread, but what do you like about a flat tax?

[Shikinami Asuka Langley]

I'd say, as of now, no. But as technology, including electronic currency methods, advance, maybe. Maybe someday.

However, feasibility isn't really the only thing you have to ask about such a system.

Lots of things are feasible, but that doesn't make them desirable.

[Great Minarchistan]

Even if it was feasible; It would mean a lot of people dying from starvation because they would have to pay just to go to the shop.

> Implying people already do that through taxes

People on minimum wage who don't pay taxes and homeless people or students will all probably be confined to their cardboard boxes (assuming you aren't service charging them either) because there is no chance they would be able to afford to walk/drive/shop/get healthcare.

I think you are overstating the cost of the whole thing.

There would be a private police force and private prison system (which I am sure you can imagine would result in a lot of people being arrested and incarcerated)

Wrong. Because if my neighbor has a private police, so do I. And so do another neighbors. So if you fuck with me I may call my friends to fuck² you.

There would be no government.

Wrong.

Government can always exist as a night watchman state. You better check minarchism and ancap more often.

There would be no hospitals or schools because you can't service charge building public buildings.

... Private sector exists, you know.

No Military. - unless its a mercenary force.

And that''s my favorite point. Personally I'm sick of fund military. Instead why not hire mercenaries with your own money?

I could name thousands of things wrong with this idea.

And I could name some things wrong with your logic - starting with this hyperbole.

This is question should be obvious to anybody.

What did you want to say here?

[The Alexanderians]

Can a country be run solely on service charges with 0 taxes? You pay for what you use.

For example, each kilometer you use to drive your car you get charged for the maintenance of the road. Tolls for using the road.

Service charges entering a city.

Service charges for using the hospital or getting treatment.

Service charges for getting security.

Etc.

Is this kind of system feasible?

No not at all. The cost to run that kind of system alone would bankrupt it.

[Ifreann]

Can a country be run solely on service charges with 0 taxes? You pay for what you use.

For example, each kilometer you use to drive your car you get charged for the maintenance of the road. Tolls for using the road.

Service charges entering a city.

Service charges for using the hospital or getting treatment.

Service charges for getting security.

Etc.

Is this kind of system feasible?

How would the hospital get built in the first place? No one can use it if there's no medicine, no equipment, no staff, and no building, and if no one's using it no one's paying for it.

[Xiangshu]

Even if it was feasible; It would mean a lot of people dying from starvation because they would have to pay just to go to the shop.

> Implying people already do that through taxes

People on minimum wage who don't pay taxes and homeless people or students will all probably be confined to their cardboard boxes (assuming you aren't service charging them either) because there is no chance they would be able to afford to walk/drive/shop/get healthcare.

I think you are overstating the cost of the whole thing.

There would be a private police force and private prison system (which I am sure you can imagine would result in a lot of people being arrested and incarcerated)

Wrong. Because if my neighbor has a private police, so do I. And so do another neighbors. So if you fuck with me I may call my friends to fuck² you.

There would be no government.

Wrong.

Government can always exist as a night watchman state. You better check minarchism and ancap more often.

There would be no hospitals or schools because you can't service charge building public buildings.

... Private sector exists, you know.

No Military. - unless its a mercenary force.

And that''s my favorite point. Personally I'm sick of fund military. Instead why not hire mercenaries with your own money?

I could name thousands of things wrong with this idea.

And I could name some things wrong with your logic - starting with this hyperbole.

This is question should be obvious to anybody.

What did you want to say here?

Seriously? Its not the going to the shop in real life that requires you to pay taxes. Its the fact that if there were no taxes - to utilize a road you would have to pay maintenance. Wth are you reading that I am not?

- Alright everyone has their own police force - I don't even have to explain why this is moronic.

Nightwatchmen state run on absolutely 0 money. You do realise he said no taxes, right?

Yes because the private sector solves everything - RIP everyone who doesn't earn over $40,000

[Saiwania]

It doesn't work because portions of any given population have no income, such as children or those who're retired or on benefits because they're disabled. Furthermore, some people who have money will have a greater ability to pay out of pocket than someone who is working poor for example.

[Xiangshu]

I cannot believe there are actual people who are so deluded in their ideology - actually think no taxes could work.

[Harkback Union]

Wrong. Because if my neighbor has a private police, so do I. And so do another neighbors. So if you fuck with me I may call my friends to fuck² you.

And that''s my favorite point. Personally I'm sick of fund military. Instead why not hire mercenaries with your own money?

And the one with the more money and the better police wins! Yay!

I think you are overstating the cost of the whole thing.

Doesn't matter how costly it is. Some people can afford nothing above 0 $.

And I could name some things wrong with your logic - starting with this hyperbole.

You mean your own?

[The Alexanderians]

I cannot believe there are actual people who are so deluded in their ideology - actually think no taxes could work.

Deluded might be harsh, idealistic would probably be it. Drawbacks are often hard to see by a supporter of something the way they are by outsiders.

[Community Values]

I cannot believe there are actual people who are so deluded in their ideology - actually think no taxes could work.

I want to make a ride safe meme that's labeled something like "You wouldn't need taxes, if there was no state"

Considering you support communism, I'm sure that you understand the necessity of abolishing the state, yeah?

Also, service charges going to the state would be taxes, essentially. The OP worded it weirdly, I'm pretty sure.

[Xiangshu]

I cannot believe there are actual people who are so deluded in their ideology - actually think no taxes could work.

Deluded might be harsh, idealistic would probably be it. Drawbacks are often hard to see by a supporter of something the way they are by outsiders.

Yeah I guess - I am just curious as to how the hell they come to these conclusions with all the facts and statistics that are available to them.

[Kazarogkai]

Sorta kinda sounds like a rather crappy version of a palace economy or proper state capitalist system I guess. Feasible I guess but not really ideal.

[Enfaru]

Can a country be run solely on service charges with 0 taxes? You pay for what you use.

For example, each kilometer you use to drive your car you get charged for the maintenance of the road. Tolls for using the road.

Service charges entering a city.

Service charges for using the hospital or getting treatment.

Service charges for getting security.

Etc.

Is this kind of system feasible?

You call it a Service Charge, we call it a tax.

The State provides services and charges for those services, name Rent and Security and instead of charging everyone equally it charges everyone proportionately... from each according to their ability to each according to their need, with certain exceptions on luxuries. The State also then takes its profits and re-invests it into itself, enriching itself and creating things like Schools, Hospitals, Law and Enforcement.

What you are proposing is that each of these should be paid specifically individually, unfortunately, that would never work it would end up as chaos very quickly and before long corporate monopolies would spring up. This is bad for everyone...including the companies.

I do think Taxes should be voluntary and I do think that they should be proportionate to how much you can afford, with additional benefits for those that pay in more than they need to but I do not think that there should be charges for every damn little thing. The price would just increase exponentially simply to keep up with the book work. We get a much better deal (USA/EU) by only getting a few tax bills through and allowing the government to distribute that as they see fit. That's what elections are for.

[The Alexanderians]

Deluded might be harsh, idealistic would probably be it. Drawbacks are often hard to see by a supporter of something the way they are by outsiders.

Yeah I guess - I am just curious as to how the hell they come to these conclusions with all the facts and statistics that are available to them.

The same could be said of many people, sometimes it just requires the facts be put a certain way for them to understand. Or perhaps it could be the very first time they saw the facts in a complete format at all.

[United States of Natan]

Can a country be run solely on service charges with 0 taxes? You pay for what you use.

For example, each kilometer you use to drive your car you get charged for the maintenance of the road. Tolls for using the road.

Service charges entering a city.

Service charges for using the hospital or getting treatment.

Service charges for getting security.

Etc.

Is this kind of system feasible?

That would cost a lot of money, and would be very time consuming, especially if you had to stop each mile to pay a toll. The current system of taxation is far easier.