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Is reality fake?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:06 pm
by Luziyca
As I hear mentions of "fake news" over various issues, and the soul-crippling realization that humanity is inherently cruel and barbaric to others, I am starting to wonder if it is a good idea to find comfort in the fact that perhaps reality as we know it is just a product of your imagination. And I don't mean the social reality, I mean objective reality itself.

Think about it deeply: you have spent your whole life only experiencing it from one perspective: yours. Of course you see other people kicking about and going on their day-to-day business. But how do you know that they are not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this screen that you are reading this actually exists, and not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this is not just an illusion designed to protect us from something that is far more terrifying than we can ever dare to imagine? Or worse still, that this is actually a form of torture?

Sure, you can feel your arms. Your toes. Your eyes. You open your mouth and say some things, and you hear a response. But how do you know that response actually exists, and not just something that your brain imagined up?

Hell, perhaps for irrational numbers, which Vsauce claims "keep reality real," our brains just pretend that these numbers are infinite, and generate a new decimal place after we discover each number so to not question the very nature of objective reality itself.

So, what do you think, NSG? Is there such a thing as objective reality? Or am I, like everything you have read or heard or observed, just a figment of your imagination?

Personally, while I operate under the theory that there is such a thing as objective reality, at the same time, it is comforting to know that there is a chance that this whole reality thing is fake.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:10 pm
by DAFT Universe
*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:12 pm
by Luziyca
DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.

Perhaps it could be like the Matrix.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:13 pm
by Anollasia
Luziyca wrote:Vsauce claims "keep reality real,"


Vsauce?

+1

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:14 pm
by Imperial Esplanade
Luziyca wrote:As I hear mentions of "fake news" over various issues, and the soul-crippling realization that humanity is inherently cruel and barbaric to others, I am starting to wonder if it is a good idea to find comfort in the fact that perhaps reality as we know it is just a product of your imagination. And I don't mean the social reality, I mean objective reality itself.

Think about it deeply: you have spent your whole life only experiencing it from one perspective: yours. Of course you see other people kicking about and going on their day-to-day business. But how do you know that they are not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this screen that you are reading this actually exists, and not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this is not just an illusion designed to protect us from something that is far more terrifying than we can ever dare to imagine? Or worse still, that this is actually a form of torture?

Sure, you can feel your arms. Your toes. Your eyes. You open your mouth and say some things, and you hear a response. But how do you know that response actually exists, and not just something that your brain imagined up?

Hell, perhaps for irrational numbers, which Vsauce claims "keep reality real," our brains just pretend that these numbers are infinite, and generate a new decimal place after we discover each number so to not question the very nature of objective reality itself.

So, what do you think, NSG? Is there such a thing as objective reality? Or am I, like everything you have read or heard or observed, just a figment of your imagination?

Personally, while I operate under the theory that there is such a thing as objective reality, at the same time, it is comforting to know that there is a chance that this whole reality thing is fake.


In the words of the ever-so-wise Stephen Colbert: "I am legally obligated to ask the following question: are you high?"

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:14 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Image

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:14 pm
by Gurori
Maybe, maybe not.

It's a question that is impossible to answer, just like "what is the full version of pi"

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:15 pm
by Oldenfranck
I sure wish... I sure wish...

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:16 pm
by Hirota
DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:18 pm
by Dytarma
Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:18 pm
by Imperial Esplanade
Hirota wrote:
DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.


*Reveals a reality where Donald Trump isn't elected President of the United States*

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:19 pm
by Luziyca
Hirota wrote:
DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.

Or a form of torture.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:19 pm
by Xelsis
Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:20 pm
by Luziyca
Dytarma wrote:Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?

What us humans consider "fantasy."

Xelsis wrote:Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.

I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:21 pm
by Xelsis
Luziyca wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?

What us humans consider "fantasy."

Xelsis wrote:Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.

I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.


Nah, man, you're just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:21 pm
by Hirota
Luziyca wrote:
Hirota wrote:Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.

Or a form of torture.
Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:21 pm
by Dytarma
Luziyca wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?

What us humans consider "fantasy."

Xelsis wrote:Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.

I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.

So you're telling me dragons could exist? :p

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:22 pm
by Xelsis
Hirota wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Or a form of torture.
Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.


Ah, but the burden of proof is on you to prove that the burden of proof exists.

Bet that puts a kink in your plans, eh?
Yes, I'm obviously kidding

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:25 pm
by Luziyca
Dytarma wrote:
Luziyca wrote:What us humans consider "fantasy."


I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.

So you're telling me dragons could exist? :p

Not in the reality you are currently experiencing.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:26 pm
by Luziyca
Hirota wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Or a form of torture.
Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.

Prove that this reality is real.

I'll wait.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:26 pm
by Dytarma
Luziyca wrote:
Dytarma wrote:So you're telling me dragons could exist? :p

Not in the reality you are currently experiencing.

Aw, come on.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:28 pm
by Vulkata II
It can't be fake.

I don't have any imagination on how my Ipad works.

I've been in that state buddy, just sit down, grab your favorite hot beverage and relax and stop thinking about it o though there is the alternate reality theory.

If we say reality what do we really mean by that?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:28 pm
by Xelsis
Luziyca wrote:
Hirota wrote:Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.

Prove that this reality is real.

I'll wait.


Reality is real because reality is defined as real. A priori

Done.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:29 pm
by Luziyca
Dytarma wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Not in the reality you are currently experiencing.

Aw, come on.

I can only assume that, because I have never experienced reality from your perspective.

But because my reality has no dragons, and we act as though each of us is real, it appears that at least in my reality, dragons are non-existent.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:30 pm
by Hirota
Luziyca wrote:
Hirota wrote:Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.

Prove that this reality is real.

I'll wait.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the one disputing it. You made the claim in your opening post, ergo, burden is upon you.

I'm not going to wait, because this is an entirely pointless exercise in navel-gazing.