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Is reality fake?

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Is this...

...the real life?
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...just fantasy?
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Is reality fake?

Postby Luziyca » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:06 pm

As I hear mentions of "fake news" over various issues, and the soul-crippling realization that humanity is inherently cruel and barbaric to others, I am starting to wonder if it is a good idea to find comfort in the fact that perhaps reality as we know it is just a product of your imagination. And I don't mean the social reality, I mean objective reality itself.

Think about it deeply: you have spent your whole life only experiencing it from one perspective: yours. Of course you see other people kicking about and going on their day-to-day business. But how do you know that they are not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this screen that you are reading this actually exists, and not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this is not just an illusion designed to protect us from something that is far more terrifying than we can ever dare to imagine? Or worse still, that this is actually a form of torture?

Sure, you can feel your arms. Your toes. Your eyes. You open your mouth and say some things, and you hear a response. But how do you know that response actually exists, and not just something that your brain imagined up?

Hell, perhaps for irrational numbers, which Vsauce claims "keep reality real," our brains just pretend that these numbers are infinite, and generate a new decimal place after we discover each number so to not question the very nature of objective reality itself.

So, what do you think, NSG? Is there such a thing as objective reality? Or am I, like everything you have read or heard or observed, just a figment of your imagination?

Personally, while I operate under the theory that there is such a thing as objective reality, at the same time, it is comforting to know that there is a chance that this whole reality thing is fake.
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Postby DAFT Universe » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:10 pm

*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:12 pm

DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.

Perhaps it could be like the Matrix.
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Postby Anollasia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:13 pm

Luziyca wrote:Vsauce claims "keep reality real,"


Vsauce?

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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:14 pm

Luziyca wrote:As I hear mentions of "fake news" over various issues, and the soul-crippling realization that humanity is inherently cruel and barbaric to others, I am starting to wonder if it is a good idea to find comfort in the fact that perhaps reality as we know it is just a product of your imagination. And I don't mean the social reality, I mean objective reality itself.

Think about it deeply: you have spent your whole life only experiencing it from one perspective: yours. Of course you see other people kicking about and going on their day-to-day business. But how do you know that they are not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this screen that you are reading this actually exists, and not just a figment of your imagination? How do you know that this is not just an illusion designed to protect us from something that is far more terrifying than we can ever dare to imagine? Or worse still, that this is actually a form of torture?

Sure, you can feel your arms. Your toes. Your eyes. You open your mouth and say some things, and you hear a response. But how do you know that response actually exists, and not just something that your brain imagined up?

Hell, perhaps for irrational numbers, which Vsauce claims "keep reality real," our brains just pretend that these numbers are infinite, and generate a new decimal place after we discover each number so to not question the very nature of objective reality itself.

So, what do you think, NSG? Is there such a thing as objective reality? Or am I, like everything you have read or heard or observed, just a figment of your imagination?

Personally, while I operate under the theory that there is such a thing as objective reality, at the same time, it is comforting to know that there is a chance that this whole reality thing is fake.


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Postby Gurori » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:14 pm

Maybe, maybe not.

It's a question that is impossible to answer, just like "what is the full version of pi"
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Postby Oldenfranck » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:15 pm

I sure wish... I sure wish...

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Postby Hirota » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:16 pm

DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.
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Postby Dytarma » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Hirota wrote:
DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.


*Reveals a reality where Donald Trump isn't elected President of the United States*
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:19 pm

Hirota wrote:
DAFT Universe wrote:*solid state drive blows*

Sooo... like the matrix?
You could be right... you can't prove you're wrong anyway.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.

Or a form of torture.
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Postby Xelsis » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:19 pm

Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:20 pm

Dytarma wrote:Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?

What us humans consider "fantasy."

Xelsis wrote:Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.

I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.
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Postby Xelsis » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?

What us humans consider "fantasy."

Xelsis wrote:Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.

I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.


Nah, man, you're just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.
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Postby Hirota » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Hirota wrote:Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the person contesting it.

Anyway, we know how people act with other realities - we see people immersing themselves in video games, films and other forms. We do it in this reality as a form of escapism, therefore if we assume that this reality is a fabrication, we can reasonably assume that this reality is a form of escapism for whoever dreamt it up - implying their reality is worse than this one. Not sure how you can find that reassuring.

Or a form of torture.
Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.
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Postby Dytarma » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Wait, if reality is fake, then what would fantasy be?

What us humans consider "fantasy."

Xelsis wrote:Yeah, your reality is fake. Sorry to break it to you. Mine's real though. Pretty sweet stuff here.

I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.

So you're telling me dragons could exist? :p
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Postby Xelsis » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:22 pm

Hirota wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Or a form of torture.
Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.


Ah, but the burden of proof is on you to prove that the burden of proof exists.

Bet that puts a kink in your plans, eh?
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:25 pm

Dytarma wrote:
Luziyca wrote:What us humans consider "fantasy."


I am pretty sure that my reality exists. For all I know, you are just text on a screen with a witty flag and signature.

So you're telling me dragons could exist? :p

Not in the reality you are currently experiencing.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:26 pm

Hirota wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Or a form of torture.
Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.

Prove that this reality is real.

I'll wait.
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Postby Dytarma » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:26 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Dytarma wrote:So you're telling me dragons could exist? :p

Not in the reality you are currently experiencing.

Aw, come on.
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Postby Vulkata II » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:28 pm

It can't be fake.

I don't have any imagination on how my Ipad works.

I've been in that state buddy, just sit down, grab your favorite hot beverage and relax and stop thinking about it o though there is the alternate reality theory.

If we say reality what do we really mean by that?
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Postby Xelsis » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:28 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Hirota wrote:Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.

Prove that this reality is real.

I'll wait.


Reality is real because reality is defined as real. A priori

Done.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:29 pm

Dytarma wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Not in the reality you are currently experiencing.

Aw, come on.

I can only assume that, because I have never experienced reality from your perspective.

But because my reality has no dragons, and we act as though each of us is real, it appears that at least in my reality, dragons are non-existent.
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Postby Hirota » Thu Feb 23, 2017 3:30 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Hirota wrote:Well, burden of proof is upon you to prove that A) this reality isn't real, and B) the reality that created this one is worse than this one.

Good luck with that.

Prove that this reality is real.

I'll wait.
Burden of proof is upon the person making the claim, not upon the one disputing it. You made the claim in your opening post, ergo, burden is upon you.

I'm not going to wait, because this is an entirely pointless exercise in navel-gazing.
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