Trump Reverses The Transgender Bathroom Directive

[Nekotani]

Because of survival presumably. And comfort. Primitivism sucks.
Our survival instructs make us not like being raped, murdered an dying of disease by 30.

I agree with that, but that is still just our opinion. And that is my point, when you reduce morality to just opinion, then anything is permissible.

Your own opinion is that God shares your opinion and he's the strongest being so what he says must be right. It's even more relativistic than most atheists.

[Novus America]

Because of survival presumably. And comfort. Primitivism sucks.
Our survival instructs make us not like being raped, murdered an dying of disease by 30.

I agree with that, but that is still just our opinion. And that is my point, when you reduce morality to just opinion, then anything is permissible.

Well again it is not really about morality as much as survival. But I am not saying morality is just opinion. I can think someone is immoral without forcing my morality on them.

And this is interestingly the basis of Christianity. Jesus never forced anyone to do anything.

[United Muscovite Nations]

They don't agree that theft or rape is wrong; in pre-modern times, people did it all the damn time. The Japanese raped a whole damn city. The Nazis raped ten million Soviet women, etc.

They do. Ask any Nazi or member of the WWII Japanese army if he was ok with his wife being raped and he will reply "no!". Ask any pre-modern person the same question and the reply will be the same.

They do think rape is wrong, and theft is wrong, and murder is wrong. But they tell themselves "it's not real rape, it's not real murder, they deserve it, she was asking for it" - they do know what they do is wrong, as they wouldn't like if it was done to themselves or to their friends or relatives, but they make excuses for themselves.

Just because they don't want their wife raped doesn't mean they think rape is wrong.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I agree with that, but that is still just our opinion. And that is my point, when you reduce morality to just opinion, then anything is permissible.

Your own opinion is that God shares your opinion and he's the strongest being so what he says must be right. It's even more relativistic than most atheists.

God doesn't set morality by opinion, but by essence. That which is unGodly is that which is immoral.

[Mechanisburg]

They do. Ask any Nazi or member of the WWII Japanese army if he was ok with his wife being raped and he will reply "no!". Ask any pre-modern person the same question and the reply will be the same.

They do think rape is wrong, and theft is wrong, and murder is wrong. But they tell themselves "it's not real rape, it's not real murder, they deserve it, she was asking for it" - they do know what they do is wrong, as they wouldn't like if it was done to themselves or to their friends or relatives, but they make excuses for themselves.

Just because they don't want their wife raped doesn't mean they think rape is wrong.

Yes, yes it does. They believe rape is wrong: why, I wouldn't want any one of my friends to be raped! My wife? Are you kidding me? That's fucked up!

They also make use of enough cognitive dissonance to stop a depleted uranium orbital kinetic weapon to justify it when it is done to an acceptable target - or merely don't see the acceptable targets as human, and therefore worthy of protection or equal rights.

[Farnhamia]

I am a very traditional national socialist so I believe he made the right decision, I mean please this my opinion respect and i'll respect yours

I believe transgenders and homosexuals are perverts

THAT'S ME

It's your right to think that but expressing it that way will do nothing but get you *** warned for trolling. *** I'm not sure there is an acceptable way to say that.

[Nekotani]

Because there are a lot of fiddly things that can go on and while people can agree theft or rape is wrong they usually won't agree on what constitutes appropriate response? So you sit down, take a chisel and a stone tablet and go at it - Hammurabi docet.

They don't agree that theft or rape is wrong; in pre-modern times, people did it all the damn time. The Japanese raped a whole damn city. The Nazis raped ten million Soviet women, etc.

There are times in the Bible where God allows rape (Numbers 31) and even becomes angry because the Israelites have not massacred all the mothers and male children. It doesn't sound like God would be opposed to the Imperial Japanese and Wehrmacht atrocities.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I agree with that, but that is still just our opinion. And that is my point, when you reduce morality to just opinion, then anything is permissible.

Well again it is not really about morality as much as survival. But I am not saying morality is just opinion. I can think someone is immoral without forcing my morality on them.

And this is interestingly the basis of Christianity. Jesus never forced anyone to do anything.

Christ also acknowledged that the world is not ideal. Moreover, the Apostolic teachings make it quite clear that, at the end of time, Christ will indeed force it on us, and those who do not accept it (again, it will be a choice) will be destroyed. I merely think that we should try to culturally emphasize morality so that we will be spiritually prepared for judgement.

[Novus America]

Your own opinion is that God shares your opinion and he's the strongest being so what he says must be right. It's even more relativistic than most atheists.

God doesn't set morality by opinion, but by essence. That which is unGodly is that which is immoral.

But God clearly does not force you to obey rule of morality.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Just because they don't want their wife raped doesn't mean they think rape is wrong.

Yes, yes it does. They believe rape is wrong: why, I wouldn't want any one of my friends to be raped! My wife? Are you kidding me? That's fucked up!

They also make use of enough cognitive dissonance to stop a depleted uranium orbital kinetic weapon to justify it when it is done to an acceptable target - or merely don't see the acceptable targets as human, and therefore worthy of protection or equal rights.

Not wanting something doesn't equate to thinking its wrong.

[Nekotani]

Your own opinion is that God shares your opinion and he's the strongest being so what he says must be right. It's even more relativistic than most atheists.

God doesn't set morality by opinion, but by essence. That which is unGodly is that which is immoral.

Essence doesn't exist, it's like magic or a purple frog who created the universe.

[United Muscovite Nations]

God doesn't set morality by opinion, but by essence. That which is unGodly is that which is immoral.

Essence doesn't exist, it's like magic or a purple frog who created the universe.

Aren't you a Neoplatonist?

Also, meme magic does exist, unfortunately.

[Brkelgarozed]

Children are not old enough to transition period. They may think they are trans but in most cases of childhood dysphoria by the time the children get to age of puberty there dysphoria is gone. 99% people identify as the sex they are born with.

1.Why are you even arguing against children transitioning?Also, where have you found this "in most cases by the time the children get to age of puberty the dysphoria is gone"?

No, because no prepuberal children can medically transition, as medical transition is effectively puberty and early puberty is considered disadvantageous. Puberal children who show symptoms of gender dysphoria are treated as per Hembree, 2009:

Because a diagnosis of transsexualism in a prepubertal child cannot be made with certainty, we do not recommend endocrine treatment of prepubertal children. We recommend treating transsexual adolescents (Tanner stage 2) by suppressing puberty with GnRH analogues until age 16 years old, after which cross-sex hormones may be given.

3.The fact 99% of people identify as the gender they have been assigned is irrelevant in a discussion about the outliers who don't - and you might want to know that when Steensma, 2009 analyzed the factors associated with persistence and desistence of gender dysphoria they found that intensity of symptoms was a pretty good predictor of persistence - AKA, children who are gender dysphoric, and not merely 2.gender non-conforming, will keep on being gender dysphoric as they grow up.

1.Because it is an important life decision to make and children are not mentally prepared that decision.
2.First off "gender non-conforming" does not exist it is not found in nature for example there no non-conforming monkeys,Lions,Dogs,Cats,Apes,Whales,etc. And just because your personality is different from most Women/Men does not mean you are new gender. Second off than those transition when they are old enough period.
3.People are not "Assigned" a gender they born as Male or female,Penis or Vegenia. And Inrsex is genetic disorder not other gender,Example if baby is born with a third arm that not new species of humans right?

[Novus America]

Well again it is not really about morality as much as survival. But I am not saying morality is just opinion. I can think someone is immoral without forcing my morality on them.

And this is interestingly the basis of Christianity. Jesus never forced anyone to do anything.

Christ also acknowledged that the world is not ideal. Moreover, the Apostolic teachings make it quite clear that, at the end of time, Christ will indeed force it on us, and those who do not accept it (again, it will be a choice) will be destroyed. I merely think that we should try to culturally emphasize morality so that we will be spiritually prepared for judgement.

Well you can emphasize what you think people should do all you want.
But that is different than forcing people to do it. Forcing people to live traditional lives does not make their souls more pure. If you only do good because you were forced to do good this does not make you good. It will not save you. So you would not be helping prepare people by forcing them to do something.

[Khalisako]

They do. Ask any Nazi or member of the WWII Japanese army if he was ok with his wife being raped and he will reply "no!". Ask any pre-modern person the same question and the reply will be the same.

They do think rape is wrong, and theft is wrong, and murder is wrong. But they tell themselves "it's not real rape, it's not real murder, they deserve it, she was asking for it" - they do know what they do is wrong, as they wouldn't like if it was done to themselves or to their friends or relatives, but they make excuses for themselves.

Just because they don't want their wife raped doesn't mean they think rape is wrong.

Ehhh?! Apparently they think it's wrong, cuz if they didn't, they wouldn't care if their wife gets raped.

Don't know what that has to do with trans policy tho.

[Mechanisburg]

Well again it is not really about morality as much as survival. But I am not saying morality is just opinion. I can think someone is immoral without forcing my morality on them.

And this is interestingly the basis of Christianity. Jesus never forced anyone to do anything.

Christ also acknowledged that the world is not ideal. Moreover, the Apostolic teachings make it quite clear that, at the end of time, Christ will indeed force it on us, and those who do not accept it (again, it will be a choice) will be destroyed. I merely think that we should try to culturally emphasize morality so that we will be spiritually prepared for judgement.

BRB, I think I will need a few of my MBTs for the end of times. I think he'll have a hard time destroying someone within a tank that can take a small nuclear explosion to the face and run on the seabed under the crush depth of most submarines.

Christ vs 50 MJ railgun: the showdown of the century.

[Chricoma]

I am a very traditional national socialist so I believe he made the right decision, I mean please this my opinion respect and i'll respect yours

I believe transgenders and homosexuals are perverts

THAT'S ME

Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.

I feel the same of your opinion

[Nekotani]

Essence doesn't exist, it's like magic or a purple frog who created the universe.

Aren't you a Neoplatonist?

Also, meme magic does exist, unfortunately.

That's besides the point; but I've flirted with Neoplatonic philosophy and agree with parts of it, though I don't accept it in it's entirety obviously. Even then Plato wasn't that much of an essentialist, believing that those with a "female soul" could be born in male bodies.

No, it doesn't. Just a myth, like magic and essence, fortunately.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Just because they don't want their wife raped doesn't mean they think rape is wrong.

Ehhh?! Apparently they think it's wrong, cuz if they didn't, they wouldn't care if their wife gets raped.

Don't know what that has to do with trans policy tho.

We are having to get into esoteric ideas about morality because apparently "it's immoral" isn't a good enough reason to be opposed to something.

[Mechanisburg]

1.Why are you even arguing against children transitioning?Also, where have you found this "in most cases by the time the children get to age of puberty the dysphoria is gone"?

No, because no prepuberal children can medically transition, as medical transition is effectively puberty and early puberty is considered disadvantageous. Puberal children who show symptoms of gender dysphoria are treated as per Hembree, 2009:

3.The fact 99% of people identify as the gender they have been assigned is irrelevant in a discussion about the outliers who don't - and you might want to know that when Steensma, 2009 analyzed the factors associated with persistence and desistence of gender dysphoria they found that intensity of symptoms was a pretty good predictor of persistence - AKA, children who are gender dysphoric, and not merely 2.gender non-conforming, will keep on being gender dysphoric as they grow up.

1.Because it is an important life decision to make and children are not mentally prepared that decision.
2.First off "gender non-conforming" does not exist it is not found in nature for example there no non-conforming monkeys,Lions,Dogs,Cats,Apes,Whales,etc. And just because your personality is different from most Women/Men does not mean you are new gender. Second off than those transition when they are old enough period.
3.People are not "Assigned" a gender they born as Male or female,Penis or Vegenia. And Inrsex is genetic disorder not other gender,Example if baby is born with a third arm that not new species of humans right?

1. The point is moot because children are not transitioning.
2. Gender non-conforming evidently exist, feminine men and masculine women being two glaring examples, and how you made this about non-binary gender is beyond me - I'll just point out the world is not black and white, but shades of gray abound.
3. People are assigned a sex and a gender as they are born. The doctor takes a look at the genitals, says "it's a boy!" and the child will be grown up as a boy, regardless of their gender. This is why being transgender is a thing: the assigned gender does not fit with one's own experience.

[Ifreann]

1.Why are you even arguing against children transitioning?Also, where have you found this "in most cases by the time the children get to age of puberty the dysphoria is gone"?

No, because no prepuberal children can medically transition, as medical transition is effectively puberty and early puberty is considered disadvantageous. Puberal children who show symptoms of gender dysphoria are treated as per Hembree, 2009:

3.The fact 99% of people identify as the gender they have been assigned is irrelevant in a discussion about the outliers who don't - and you might want to know that when Steensma, 2009 analyzed the factors associated with persistence and desistence of gender dysphoria they found that intensity of symptoms was a pretty good predictor of persistence - AKA, children who are gender dysphoric, and not merely 2.gender non-conforming, will keep on being gender dysphoric as they grow up.

1.Because it is an important life decision to make and children are not mentally prepared that decision.
2.First off "gender non-conforming" does not exist it is not found in nature for example there no non-conforming monkeys,Lions,Dogs,Cats,Apes,Whales,etc. And just because your personality is different from most Women/Men does not mean you are new gender. Second off than those transition when they are old enough period.
3.People are not "Assigned" a gender they born as Male or female,Penis or Vegenia. And Inrsex is genetic disorder not other gender,Example if baby is born with a third arm that not new species of humans right?

All these unsupported claims.

[Novus America]

Ehhh?! Apparently they think it's wrong, cuz if they didn't, they wouldn't care if their wife gets raped.

Don't know what that has to do with trans policy tho.

We are having to get into esoteric ideas about morality because apparently "it's immoral" isn't a good enough reason to be opposed to something.

Well you can oppose someone being trans. Nobody is saying you cannot oppose it. Just not by force.

[Genivaria]

Ehhh?! Apparently they think it's wrong, cuz if they didn't, they wouldn't care if their wife gets raped.

Don't know what that has to do with trans policy tho.

We are having to get into esoteric ideas about morality because apparently "it's immoral" isn't a good enough reason to be opposed to something.

Because you've provided no reason for your statement that impresses anyone.

[Nekotani]

Ehhh?! Apparently they think it's wrong, cuz if they didn't, they wouldn't care if their wife gets raped.

Don't know what that has to do with trans policy tho.

We are having to get into esoteric ideas about morality because apparently "it's immoral" isn't a good enough reason to be opposed to something.

I find Christianity sadistic and immoral, not going to legislate against it though.

[Galloism]

I'm still waiting for a good reason to have gendered bathrooms at all.

When you're arguing against the Statu Quo, you're kinda expected to be the one to provide arguments rather than merely expect everyone to simply bend to your will.

But my will is really awesome.

I have done so before, however.

It makes fiscal and mathematical sense, not to mention space saving.