Trump Reverses The Transgender Bathroom Directive

[United Muscovite Nations]

We all try to engender our children to do what we think is right, do we not?

Yes, as long as that thing is definitively right.

However, religion has not been proven by any means known to man. It should have no bearing on anyone's life here on Earth, and it most certainly should not be taught to children as fact.

>definitively right
There's no such thing.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because it encourages and normalizes morally wrong tendencies, which causes people to feel that anything will be allowed.

Anything not a crime should be allowed. And most things should be allowed so long as they do not harm others.
We have freedom of religion. One does not need to follow your beliefs or you theirs. Society need not be and indeed should not be monolithic.

There is no harm in people being different so long as they are law abiding and contribute.

Not if their difference causes the degradation of societal morality.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

Sure, but if they do not agree they do not have to. Live and let live.
Why not just let them live their life as they wish, and they let you live yours as you wish?

Because it encourages and normalizes morally wrong tendencies, which causes people to feel that anything will be allowed.

Fucking really? We're not going to start murdering people just because some women want to be men and vice versa.

[Novus America]

We all try to engender our children to do what we think is right, do we not?

Yes, as long as that thing is definitively right.

However, religion has not been proven by any means known to man. It should have no bearing on anyone's life here on Earth, and it most certainly should not be taught to children as fact.

Well you have a right to teach your children whatever you wish. They do not have to accept it though.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because it encourages and normalizes morally wrong tendencies, which causes people to feel that anything will be allowed.

Fucking really? We're not going to start murdering people just because some women want to be men and vice versa.

There are those of us who remember that the sexual revolution started with the normalization of fornication and divorce, and now the majority of married couples get divorces. Why should we believe that there won't be continuing pushes in the direction of the destruction of traditional values?

[Mechanisburg]

There's also the basic social contract between human beings - "I don't kill you, you don't kill me; I don't steal from you, you don't steal from me; and we both punish those who do this, because being dead is not of the good and having a good cow stolen is a pretty big inconvenience".

Hmm, that's probably the best response I've heard all day.

There's a lot of people that argue morality is this and morality is that, or a god is required for morality to exist, but in the end unless you are a psychopath morality is just common sense. And even a psychopath would be deterred by other people enforcing it, unofficially or officially - as much as a truly evil/amoral person would see murder, rape, and lies as mere tools (maybe even enjoyable ones) they still would know murder invites retaliation, rape invites retaliation, and lies cease to be effective after a while.

[Vorond]

Do you muricans seriously not have any more important issue to get upset about than in which bowl the transgender-dump goes? (and has anyone asked the dump whether it doesn't identify as a Bratwurst?) Come ON! This shit is completely unimportant, and besides I'd love to see anyone trying to enforce it anyways: "Madam or sir, you look suspiciously masculine, drop your pants please." (considering we're talking about 'murica the cop propably should draw his gun while doing that, LOL... concealed carry or penis, that might be the question xDDD

[The Black Forrest]

Anything not a crime should be allowed. And most things should be allowed so long as they do not harm others.
We have freedom of religion. One does not need to follow your beliefs or you theirs. Society need not be and indeed should not be monolithic.

There is no harm in people being different so long as they are law abiding and contribute.

Not if their difference causes the degradation of societal morality.

example?

[Novus America]

Anything not a crime should be allowed. And most things should be allowed so long as they do not harm others.
We have freedom of religion. One does not need to follow your beliefs or you theirs. Society need not be and indeed should not be monolithic.

There is no harm in people being different so long as they are law abiding and contribute.

Not if their difference causes the degradation of societal morality.

That is contrary to freedom of religion. You have no right to enforce your views of morality on others.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not if their difference causes the degradation of societal morality.

That is contrary to freedom of religion. You have no right to enforce your views of morality on others.

Then, shouldn't we disband government entirely and allow people to do as they wish?

[The Black Forrest]

That is contrary to freedom of religion. You have no right to enforce your views of morality on others.

Then, shouldn't we disband government entirely and allow people to do as they wish?

Why? Because you can't force your "moral" code on others?

[Mechanisburg]

Fucking really? We're not going to start murdering people just because some women want to be men and vice versa.

There are those of us who remember that the sexual revolution started with the normalization of fornication and divorce, and now the majority of married couples get divorces. Why should we believe that there won't be continuing pushes in the direction of the destruction of traditional values?

And we should protect traditional values, that can't stand to the test of the times, because ... ?

Wasn't slavery a traditional value, too? Or women not being allowed to vote or work or do anything that wasn't pop out babies or become a nun? Even throwing ill babies off a cliff was pretty traditional.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then, shouldn't we disband government entirely and allow people to do as they wish?

Why? Because you can't force your "moral" code on others?

Because, according to Novus America, no one should be able to force their views of morality on others.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There are those of us who remember that the sexual revolution started with the normalization of fornication and divorce, and now the majority of married couples get divorces. Why should we believe that there won't be continuing pushes in the direction of the destruction of traditional values?

And we should protect traditional values, that can't stand to the test of the times, because ... ?

Wasn't slavery a traditional value, too? Or women not being allowed to vote or work or do anything that wasn't pop out babies or become a nun? Even throwing ill babies off a cliff was pretty traditional.

Because those traditional values were those passed down by the Prophets and Patriarchs, received from the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

[Trotza]

That is contrary to freedom of religion. You have no right to enforce your views of morality on others.

Then, shouldn't we disband government entirely and allow people to do as they wish?

There's a difference between simply going against the morals of others and actually causing harm to others.

[Hashirajima]

[OOPS DOUBLED no idea why....]

[Hashirajima]

There are those of us who remember that the sexual revolution started with the normalization of fornication and divorce, and now the majority of married couples get divorces. Why should we believe that there won't be continuing pushes in the direction of the destruction of traditional values?

And we should protect traditional values, that can't stand to the test of the times, because ... ?

Wasn't slavery a traditional value, too? Or women not being allowed to vote or work or do anything that wasn't pop out babies or become a nun? Even throwing ill babies off a cliff was pretty traditional.

(piggybacking because it is somewhat related)
You know... this "traditional values" thing...
It's kiiiiinda open to interpretation isn't it? Since all you've got is some source text that the author isn't around to clarify.

So here's the thing: By my interpretation of a certain source text... traditional values would possibly indicate complete dismantlement of any force projection capability and global influence currently available to several nations including the United States. Just saying...

[Novus America]

That is contrary to freedom of religion. You have no right to enforce your views of morality on others.

Then, shouldn't we disband government entirely and allow people to do as they wish?

Ideally. But we cannot because some people do not respect the rights of others.
The government exists to protect your from certain harms. Not to tell you how to live your life.

[The Black Forrest]

Why? Because you can't force your "moral" code on others?

Because, according to Novus America, no one should be able to force their views of morality on others.

You are not bothered by people for practicing your religion and people are not bothered by you practicing your religion.

What exactly is the problem?

[Mechanisburg]

Why? Because you can't force your "moral" code on others?

Because, according to Novus America, no one should be able to force their views of morality on others.

Seems like a pretty sound policy to me. We force people to conform to what everyone can consent to - murder being wrong, rape being fucked up, theft being a big inconvenience - but no-one should be able to force their personal morality on others.

For example, I'm refraining from forcing people to get sterilized and have abortions.

[Purple Empire]

Stone the gays and transgender people

John 8:
5: Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6: This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7: So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8: And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9: And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Jesus didn't want stoning? But you said...

forcefully convert/torture them and/or flog them

Matthew 5:
43: Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44: But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

1 John 3:
11: For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

Says enough...

enslave women to be baby-making factories;

Genesis 1:
1: This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2: Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Genesis 1:
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Does it read: "And God blessed the man, and God said to him, Subjugate your wife."?

purge and kill non-Christians on a grand crusade.

Exodus 20:
13: Thou shalt not kill.

Luke 9:
54: And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55: But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
56: For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Says enough...
I guess you've never read the bible...

[Hashirajima]

And we should protect traditional values, that can't stand to the test of the times, because ... ?

Wasn't slavery a traditional value, too? Or women not being allowed to vote or work or do anything that wasn't pop out babies or become a nun? Even throwing ill babies off a cliff was pretty traditional.

Because those traditional values were those passed down by the Prophets and Patriarchs, received from the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

Annnnnnd I shall not repeat what I've said, several times in several contexts, regarding my personal views on Abrahamic faiths.

But in short, it is way less than favourable.

[Novus America]

Fucking really? We're not going to start murdering people just because some women want to be men and vice versa.

There are those of us who remember that the sexual revolution started with the normalization of fornication and divorce, and now the majority of married couples get divorces. Why should we believe that there won't be continuing pushes in the direction of the destruction of traditional values?

And you may live your life according to your traditional values if you so wish. I am no hedonist. I live a fairly "traditional" life. But I understand others might choose differently.

[Brkelgarozed]

There should be no "Trans kids".school kids are not old enough make that kind of decision yet. Period.

Its not a decision.

The decision to transition is.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then, shouldn't we disband government entirely and allow people to do as they wish?

Ideally. But we cannot because some people do not respect the rights of others.
The government exists to protect your from certain harms. Not to tell you how to live your life.

Rights are just opinions of philosophers, there is nothing binding in them except that the government enforces them.