Trump Reverses The Transgender Bathroom Directive

[Mechanisburg]

As is the case with mastectomy in case of breast cancer, or hysterectomy, or appendectomy, or orchidectomy, or a lot of other stuff that end with -tomy. In the end, they are mutilating a body. They made a willing choice to go through that removal, because they thought "they would be better that way".

All of which result from them suffering from physical diseases like cancer by exemple.

All of which ultimately end in a mutilated body. So, what is your point?

Maybe an example you will comprehend is mastectomy performed on men with gynaecomastia, or the laser beard removal some women with PCOS require. Aren't they mutilating their body, of their own free will, for no reason beyond the "I'd be better that way"? Both are purely aesthetic, and natural occurrences.

[The Black Forrest]

And what "moral" reasons would those be?

That it is wrong to masquerade as a member of the opposite sex.

Well your opinion can be your "moral" code I guess. The problem is that it holds no weight for the person in question.

[Mechanisburg]

And what "moral" reasons would those be?

That it is wrong to masquerade as a member of the opposite sex.

According to whom, pray tell?

Why is "masquerading" as a member of the opposite sex wrong?

Is it a masquerade when you actually have all the relevant characteristics of the opposite sex?

[United Muscovite Nations]

That it is wrong to masquerade as a member of the opposite sex.

Well your opinion can be your "moral" code I guess. The problem is that it holds no weight for the person in question.

I think maintaining the moral code of a religious faith is better than making one up as you go along.

[The Black Forrest]

Well your opinion can be your "moral" code I guess. The problem is that it holds no weight for the person in question.

I think maintaining the moral code of a religious faith is better than making one up as you go along.

Again that is your opinion and it holds no weight for the person in question.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That it is wrong to masquerade as a member of the opposite sex.

According to whom, pray tell?

Why is "masquerading" as a member of the opposite sex wrong?

Is it a masquerade when you actually have all the relevant characteristics of the opposite sex?

1) According to the Apostolic teachings of the Church.

2) Because it is a denial of your essence.

3) If someone was not created as a sex, then they are not that sex.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think maintaining the moral code of a religious faith is better than making one up as you go along.

Again that is your opinion and it holds no weight for the person in question.

Unless they agree with it, in which case, they shouldn't have interference in their studying of traditionalist moral codes.

[Nekotani]

2) Because it is a denial of your essence.

There is no such thing as an essence. It's just a piece of flesh. It's like saying using a couch as a bed is wrong because it's "denying the couch's essence."

[Berdmayun]

What the hell is morality anyways, it depends on how you view the world, I mean there really is nothing saying you are right and wrong other than a government giving orders, as your own self you can do anything so what is the freakin point of existing?

I hope someone gets my point.

There's also the basic social contract between human beings - "I don't kill you, you don't kill me; I don't steal from you, you don't steal from me; and we both punish those who do this, because being dead is not of the good and having a good cow stolen is a pretty big inconvenience".

Hmm, that's probably the best response I've heard all day.

[Mechanisburg]

According to whom, pray tell?

Why is "masquerading" as a member of the opposite sex wrong?

Is it a masquerade when you actually have all the relevant characteristics of the opposite sex?

1) According to the Apostolic teachings of the Church.

2) Because it is a denial of your essence.

3) If someone was not created as a sex, then they are not that sex.

1) ah, ok, I can disregard this.
2) according to whom, pray tell? You think - you believe - you know the most intrinsic essence of a person?
3) according to whom, pray tell? You think you know what one was created as?

Such arrogance from a mere human. You believe in a supernatural creator, unknowable, omniscient, omnipotent, and have the gall to think you know what they meant to do?

[The Black Forrest]

According to whom, pray tell?

Why is "masquerading" as a member of the opposite sex wrong?

Is it a masquerade when you actually have all the relevant characteristics of the opposite sex?

1) According to the Apostolic teachings of the Church.

2) Because it is a denial of your essence.

3) If someone was not created as a sex, then they are not that sex.

Ok. And when did they make those declarations? We are talking E.O. right?

[Xuskeuclite]

Yay

[United Muscovite Nations]

2) Because it is a denial of your essence.

There is no such thing as an essence. It's just a piece of flesh. It's like saying using a couch as a bed is wrong because it's "denying the couch's essence."

Says the Neoplatonist / Buddhist.

[The Black Forrest]

Again that is your opinion and it holds no weight for the person in question.

Unless they agree with it, in which case, they shouldn't have interference in their studying of traditionalist moral codes.

As long as they decided that on their own versus being told what is the right path.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1) According to the Apostolic teachings of the Church.

2) Because it is a denial of your essence.

3) If someone was not created as a sex, then they are not that sex.

Ok. And when did they make those declarations? We are talking E.O. right?

It has always been the teachings of the Church. And, yes, Eastern Orthodox, as it says in the sig.

[Novus America]

Again that is your opinion and it holds no weight for the person in question.

Unless they agree with it, in which case, they shouldn't have interference in their studying of traditionalist moral codes.

Sure, but if they do not agree they do not have to. Live and let live.
Why not just let them live their life as they wish, and they let you live yours as you wish?

[Hashirajima]

According to whom, pray tell?

Why is "masquerading" as a member of the opposite sex wrong?

Is it a masquerade when you actually have all the relevant characteristics of the opposite sex?

1) According to the Apostolic teachings of the Church.

2) Because it is a denial of your essence.

3) If someone was not created as a sex, then they are not that sex.

1) I don't believe in said teachings.
2) Define "essence".
3) Welcome to the genetic basis of chromosomal sex, also known as random assortment, one of the many realms of RNG/Chance/Oponn (He who gets reference, gets cookies).

[United Muscovite Nations]

Unless they agree with it, in which case, they shouldn't have interference in their studying of traditionalist moral codes.

As long as they decided that on their own versus being told what is the right path.

We all try to engender our children to do what we think is right, do we not?

[The Black Forrest]

Ok. And when did they make those declarations? We are talking E.O. right?

It has always been the teachings of the Church. And, yes, Eastern Orthodox, as it says in the sig.

So long before we really started understanding the mind and body.

[Nekotani]

There is no such thing as an essence. It's just a piece of flesh. It's like saying using a couch as a bed is wrong because it's "denying the couch's essence."

Says the Neoplatonist / Buddhist.

The core tenet in Buddhism is anatta, that there is no singular essence behind something. Not sure how this is relevant though.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Unless they agree with it, in which case, they shouldn't have interference in their studying of traditionalist moral codes.

Sure, but if they do not agree they do not have to. Live and let live.
Why not just let them live their life as they wish, and they let you live yours as you wish?

Because it encourages and normalizes morally wrong tendencies, which causes people to feel that anything will be allowed.

[The Black Forrest]

As long as they decided that on their own versus being told what is the right path.

We all try to engender our children to do what we think is right, do we not?

What you do in your household is your own business (excluding abuse, etc.). Expecting others to follow is not your business.

[USS Monitor]

Then you probably haven't bothered to think your morality through if you're unable to explain it to someone else.

"If you're unable to explain why exactly it's immoral to let people suffering from mental diseases mutilate themselves then that clearly mean that your morality isn't well thought!"
Fucking please, if you need to be explained why such a thing is immoral then you simply have no morality to begin with.

*** 7 day ban for trolling ***

Saw your defense in the report thread, but you've been around NS long enough to know that calling transgenderism a mental disease is considered trolling. We've been enforcing it that way for a while. Even if you somehow managed to miss this, or you thought we were going to change site policy because you provided a source to support your position, that doesn't excuse telling someone they have no morality.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

As long as they decided that on their own versus being told what is the right path.

We all try to engender our children to do what we think is right, do we not?

Yes, as long as that thing is definitively right.

However, religion has not been proven by any means known to man. It should have no bearing on anyone's life here on Earth, and it most certainly should not be taught to children as fact.

[Novus America]

Sure, but if they do not agree they do not have to. Live and let live.
Why not just let them live their life as they wish, and they let you live yours as you wish?

Because it encourages and normalizes morally wrong tendencies, which causes people to feel that anything will be allowed.

Anything not a crime should be allowed. And most things should be allowed so long as they do not harm others.
We have freedom of religion. One does not need to follow your beliefs or you theirs. Society need not be and indeed should not be monolithic.

There is no harm in people being different so long as they are law abiding and contribute.