Church seeks to establish it's own police force.

[Hurdergaryp]

Tbf, they have gotten better.

Indeed. I notice an almost linear correlation between how good they are and how little power they have.

It has been a few centuries since the Christian religious wars in Europe, yes.

[The United Remnants of America]

I want every Catholic church to have a police force, please.

Let's bring some order back to this world, with Catholic Law!

Nobody will suspect it.

[Insert Spanish Inquisition Joke here]
All kidding aside, as long as the State is ok with it, why not?

Honestly, yeah. If a private university can seek to attain its own official police force, then we've already hit the slippery slope.

[Hurdergaryp]

[Insert Spanish Inquisition Joke here]
All kidding aside, as long as the State is ok with it, why not?

Honestly, yeah. If a private university can seek to attain its own official police force, then we've already hit the slippery slope.

A few years from now, we're going to discuss the pros and cons of the Walmart Armed Forces.

[Neanderthaland]

Honestly, yeah. If a private university can seek to attain its own official police force, then we've already hit the slippery slope.

A few years from now, we're going to discuss the pros and cons of the Walmart Armed Forces.

The Costco Corps will never forgive their dead.

[Jumalariik]

Clearly Churches aren't consensual assemblies of people like Universities or companies so they shouldn't get the same abilities....

[The United Remnants of America]

Honestly, yeah. If a private university can seek to attain its own official police force, then we've already hit the slippery slope.

A few years from now, we're going to discuss the pros and cons of the Walmart Armed Forces.

I'm as much for a corporate state dystopia as the next guy.

[Hurdergaryp]

A few years from now, we're going to discuss the pros and cons of the Walmart Armed Forces.

The Costco Corps will never forgive their dead.

Scientology already has a navy of sorts, come to think of it.

[Ifreann]

I want every Catholic church to have a police force, please.

Let's bring some order back to this world, with Catholic Law!

Nobody will suspect it.

[Insert Spanish Inquisition Joke here]
All kidding aside, as long as the State is ok with it, why not?

What happens when the church cop pulls over the head of the church for speeding? "Rip up that ticket or you're fired"?

[Gauthier]

Honestly, yeah. If a private university can seek to attain its own official police force, then we've already hit the slippery slope.

A few years from now, we're going to discuss the pros and cons of the Walmart Armed Forces.

Who will make the Iraqi Army look like the Green Berets, given that it's Walmart.

[The United Remnants of America]

[Insert Spanish Inquisition Joke here]
All kidding aside, as long as the State is ok with it, why not?

What happens when the church cop pulls over the head of the church for speeding? "Rip up that ticket or you're fired"?

What happens when a state trooper pulls over the governor or the president? What happens when Capitol Police pull over a congressman for speeding? "You're gonna let me go or you're fired."

[Hurdergaryp]

A few years from now, we're going to discuss the pros and cons of the Walmart Armed Forces.

I'm as much for a corporate state dystopia as the next guy.

Cyberpunk novels were meant as entertainment, not a 'how to' guide!

[Aelex]

What happens when the church cop pulls over the head of the church for speeding? "Rip up that ticket or you're fired"?

The very same thing that happen when the University cop pulls over the head of the University for speeding. :^)

[Neanderthaland]

Clearly Churches aren't consensual assemblies of people like Universities or companies so they shouldn't get the same abilities....

If you live in the United States, Churches are actually meaningfully distinct from companies or universities.

If you can't see how licensing State powers to a Church potentially violates the separation of Church and State, then I'm not sure what else can be said.

[Ethel mermania]

Donuts win.

BUT some public and christian colleges do have their own police forces. The damm Jesuits at notre dame, for example have a police department.

The advantage of a police force is they have to meet state regulations for a police force, a simple security dept does not.

Sure. There was a police station in my university. But they didn't work for the university, they worked for the national police force. Which is the only police force. The station was there because it was convenient. The campus is essentially a small town within the suburbs of a city. And I think they mostly did paperwork. Signing off on applications for ID so people can get into night clubs, now that they're 18 and living away from their parents for the first time.

. Fordham and nyu ( a jesuit and private Universitys in the city) have security depts, that can detain but call the cops to arrest and process.

The public university boy #2 goes to has its own independent police force. They answer to the state and not the college in terms of policing matters. They can and do arrest and do their own title ix investigations. (Sexuall harrasment) Whether that is a good idea or not is another conversation.

[AsReil]

Oh hell no.
What do they need police for? Just pray the crime away.

[Ethel mermania]

[Insert Spanish Inquisition Joke here]
All kidding aside, as long as the State is ok with it, why not?

Honestly, yeah. If a private university can seek to attain its own official police force, then we've already hit the slippery slope.

They have had them for decades, if not century's in the states.

[Ifreann]

What happens when the church cop pulls over the head of the church for speeding? "Rip up that ticket or you're fired"?

What happens when a state trooper pulls over the governor or the president? What happens when Capitol Police pull over a congressman for speeding? "You're gonna let me go or you're fired."

Right. And that's bad, but we have mechanisms in place to try to combat police and political corruption, and if nothing else the officer can go public and potentially screw the politician's chances of re-election. What anti-corruption watchdogs investigate Presbyterian church leaders?

---

What happens when the church cop pulls over the head of the church for speeding? "Rip up that ticket or you're fired"?

The very same thing that happen when the University cop pulls over the head of the University for speeding. :^)

I don't understand how this is any kind of response to my point or why you're making that face at me.

[The United Remnants of America]

What happens when a state trooper pulls over the governor or the president? What happens when Capitol Police pull over a congressman for speeding? "You're gonna let me go or you're fired."

Right. And that's bad, but we have mechanisms in place to try to combat police and political corruption, and if nothing else the officer can go public and potentially screw the politician's chances of re-election. What anti-corruption watchdogs investigate Presbyterian church leaders?

---

The very same thing that happen when the University cop pulls over the head of the University for speeding. :^)

I don't understand how this is any kind of response to my point or why you're making that face at me.

They don't exist because the situation hasn't been made yet.

The police watchdogs probably didn't exist independent of police forces, otherwise, why did they exist?

[Aelex]

I don't understand how this is any kind of response to my point or why you're making that face at me.

If you're unable to understand such a simple answer, I don't know what to say to you apart than simply read it once more; it's really not that hard to grasp. And pay no mind to the friendly face of friendliness and friendship; it's just a display of amity. :^)

[Ifreann]

Right. And that's bad, but we have mechanisms in place to try to combat police and political corruption, and if nothing else the officer can go public and potentially screw the politician's chances of re-election. What anti-corruption watchdogs investigate Presbyterian church leaders?

---

I don't understand how this is any kind of response to my point or why you're making that face at me.

They don't exist because the situation hasn't been made yet.

The police watchdogs probably didn't exist independent of police forces, otherwise, why did they exist?

People have been saying all thread that this is the same as university police forces. What safeguards exist to keep the employers in those situations from coercing their law enforcing employees to ignore crimes by the staff?

[The United Remnants of America]

They don't exist because the situation hasn't been made yet.

The police watchdogs probably didn't exist independent of police forces, otherwise, why did they exist?

People have been saying all thread that this is the same as university police forces. What safeguards exist to keep the employers in those situations from coercing their law enforcing employees to ignore crimes by the staff?

They have yet to be developed for they simple fact they they currently have no need to exist.

There weren't safeguards for university police before university police existed. Same issue here.

[Ifreann]

I don't understand how this is any kind of response to my point or why you're making that face at me.

If you're unable to understand such a simple answer, I don't know what to say to you apart than simply read it once more; it's really not that hard to grasp.

I've stated earlier in the thread that I equally object to universities or any other private organisation having a police force. The state should be running the police. This thread is the first I heard of universities employing police officers in the US. It seems bizarre to me. So you say "The same as universities". Well what the fuck is that? Do university administrators or whatever just get away with crimes on campus as long as there's no bodies to hide?

And pay no mind to the friendly face of friendliness and friendship; it's just a display of amity. :^)

You can keep your amity, citizen.

[Ethel mermania]

If you're unable to understand such a simple answer, I don't know what to say to you apart than simply read it once more; it's really not that hard to grasp.

I've stated earlier in the thread that I equally object to universities or any other private organisation having a police force. The state should be running the police. This thread is the first I heard of universities employing police officers in the US. It seems bizarre to me. So you say "The same as universities". Well what the fuck is that? Do university administrators or whatever just get away with crimes on campus as long as there's no bodies to hide?

And pay no mind to the friendly face of friendliness and friendship; it's just a display of amity. :^)

You can keep your amity, citizen.

Here, It's kind of the other way around. The university cops have to meet state policing standards and as a police force are beholden to the state. A university security force is more subject to the whims of the university. The university police serve two masters, university security only one.

There is bad here too, a university cop sees an underage kid drinking, it's an arrest, and it's 9n his permanent record. A security officer can't arrest and is more likely to take the drink away and shoe the kid off.


As to what the church is doing , other campus's do it, so I don't have a problem with it. Whether a campus police force should exist is a different issue, and I am not as Sure as to my opinion.

[Jumalariik]

Clearly Churches aren't consensual assemblies of people like Universities or companies so they shouldn't get the same abilities....

If you live in the United States, Churches are actually meaningfully distinct from companies or universities.

If you can't see how licensing State powers to a Church potentially violates the separation of Church and State, then I'm not sure what else can be said.

On a moral level, why should a church have less rights than a corporation? I mean where could you be violating separation of church and state where it would not also be an act of corruption if business is relates in equivalent fashion with government?

[Jamzmania]

It must be a particularly large church to be able to afford/want its own police department. Private entities having police departments is not really a new thing, though. Many universities have police departments, and I know of at least one hospital system which has one.