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Union of Despotistan
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Union of Despotistan » Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:55 am

... Steve Bannon
Lots of things. Globalism is bad.

... Hillary Clinton
She seemed genuinely keen to develop education standards

... Anita Sarkeesian
She's supposed to like video games, I do to.

... Milo Yiannopoulos
Freedom of speech is important

... the Remain Campaign
Meh hard one. Stability may be good on the long run I guess.

... the Leave Campaign
Strong nation states are better than any globalist views.
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Major-Tom
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Ex-Nation

Postby Major-Tom » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:19 pm

Bannon - America is disenfranchised with politics as a whole, and hates the media.

Clinton - Trump is a fraud.

Sarkeesian - Dont know her well enough.

Milo - DNC is corrupt as fuck, and modern feminism is detrimental to women's rights.

Remain Campaign - muh economy

Leave - muh sovereignity.

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Chestaan
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Ex-Nation

Postby Chestaan » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:29 pm

I'm sure that I can find points that I agree/disagree with all of them on, but the point about compromise I must contest. Compromise is sometimes necessary, but not with everyone and certainly not on every issue. Like how can we compromise with white nationalists on the topic of non-white citizens? Some people and groups aren't worth compromising with, and often the middle ground is not the best place to be. Often you have to take steps that really grind the gears of the opposition, and sometimes the opposition just have views that are absolutely abbhorent to you. No reasonable compromise will please these people, and nor should we try to please them.
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Jelmatt
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Ex-Nation

Postby Jelmatt » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:11 pm

Steve Bannon

Hm... people aren't happy with the modern political establishment? I mean, that people are disillusioned with politics should be obvious, so it's not really an opinion, but it's as much as I can agree with him on.

Hillary Clinton

Trump sucks.

Anita Sarkeesian

Media does have a tendency to treat female characters like objects and not develop them as much as male characters, and this is detrimental.

Milo Yiannopoulos

Free speech is important, I suppose? (Often Yiannopoulos has crossed into harassment and has aimed to actively harm others, but nevertheless heckler's veto being used too many times against him isn't exactly something to celebrate).

The Remain Campaign

Brexit is a disaster for the country's economic and international health and influence...

The Leave Campaign

...nevertheless, the EU is too centralized and is insufficiently democratic and needs some serious reform.
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Postby NeoLiberia » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:36 pm

Steve Bannon
George W. Bush was not a great president.

Hillary Clinton
A public option in healthcare, among many other things.

Anita Sarkeesian
I don't know.

Milo Yiannopoulos
I don't know.

the Remain Campaign
Britain should remain a member of the EU.

the Leave Campaign
Increased trade is good most of the time.
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New Rhoscow
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Postby New Rhoscow » Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:37 pm

Steve Bannon
Media Bias and Corruption. I can see why he would start up his own newspaper after seeing how liberal the mainstream ones are but any reasonable human being would make an unbiased newspaper instead of a so obviously conservative one.

Hillary Clinton
We need socialized healthcare, seriously. Her system was more akin to Canada's which has it's problems but is much more easily fixed than a Republican's healthcare. I had similar thoughts about Obama, but it's great people are getting the issue out there. I would have considered voting for her more about what Trump was not doing rather than her real plans.

Anita Sarkeesian
Most Female characters in games are extremely bland and I find girl characters either too young or too old to be the most unique and enjoyable instead of hot babes. She wasn't gonna fix it, lied to the police, and overextended herself greatly but she brought attention to the issue.

Milo Yiannopoulos
Media bias mostly. I've heard him describe himself as an anti-liberal Libertarian which I can respect but I don't know if I believe that.

the Remain Campaign
Britain will take years to compromise with other nation's on trade agreements cause they left the EU. Ukip is literally retarded on Enviornmentalism.

the Leave Campaign
The EU needs reform, is strongly anti-democratic, and has a much too liberal immigration policy. There's not enough europhile parties or politicians who do anything but show off the EU as this perfect coalition of fairness and equality between countries
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Postby Aclion » Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:39 am

...Steve Bannon
That bankers were bailed out during the wall street crisis while blue collar workers were left hanging out to dry is a matter of fundamental unfairness

... Hillary Clinton
There's been a disturbing resurgence of hatred within the right.
That's all I got, It would help if she held opinions for reasons other then marketing.

... Anita Sarkeesian
Who?

Oh alright fine, um. There... exist games that... are in bad taste.

... Milo Yiannopoulos
The behavior of his protesters is comparable to the brownshirts in the 20's

... the Remain Campaign
It's foolish to think that Britain will be allowed to leave the EU but remain in the European Economic Community. If Britain leaves Brussels will do everything in it's power to make an example of it.

... the Leave Campaign
The EU does not have the best interests of Britain(or it's member nations in general) in mind and they would be better off without it.

As for new pairs I suggest the NRA and the Brady Campaign and Karl Marx and Ayn Rand
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Postby Donut section » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:29 am

Bannon that looking after the economy of your nation is more important than the welfare of any others.

Clinton That Bernie Sanders doesn't deserve the opportunity to be president.

Sarkisian That it's easy to fleece feminists.

Yianopolis. Feminism is cancer.

Remain The EU will make the life of the British hard in retaliation.

Leave. That domestic decisions should only be made domestically.

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Jetan
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Jetan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:50 am

Gamergirl90 wrote:I find it odd that a moderate democrat and a feminist activist is lumped in with a few neo nazis.

Sarkeesian is Sarkeesian activist if anything.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vecherd » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:31 am

... Steve Bannon

*Googles quotes*

Well I guess he is right when he says the Hollywood elites do not understand middle America, and probably despises them. Bunch of out of touch elites

... Hillary Clinton

I find this one the hardest, if there is something I can't stand it is wishy washy centrists. It would probably be something like immigration or perhaps Trump being an oaf where we could agree the most.

... Anita Sarkeesian

Feminism is still important, Stefan Molyneux is a weird guy.

... Milo Yiannopoulos

Memes are funny

... the Remain Campaign

Free trade and cooperation among European countries is always nice

... the Leave Campaign

Decentralization and anti-elitism
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 4:51 am

Well, I agree with all of those people that killing off all of humanity would be bad. That's a start.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Free Missouri » Tue Feb 21, 2017 2:38 pm

... Steve Bannon
Hillary and the Democrats are horrible

... Hillary Clinton
Trump and (some of) the Republicans are Horrible

... Anita Sarkeesian
Eh... I guess some video games have gotten too sexual

... Milo Yiannopoulos
Free Speech is important, and includes so-called hate speech so long as that speech isn't a call to action

... the Remain Campaign
eh... I guess alliances can sometimes be important and for the better

... the Leave Campaign
Virtually everything.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Tue Feb 21, 2017 3:00 pm

Aclion wrote:As for new pairs I suggest the NRA and the Brady Campaign and Karl Marx and Ayn Rand

Good ones. Added to OP.

Donut section wrote:-snip-

Way to miss the point. The idea is to seriously engage with the ideas of both sides. Finding some round-about way to still attack "the other side" is the opposite of what is intended here.
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Postby Calladan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:51 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:Everyone loves to define who they are by who or what they are against. It feels good, but it's really bad for democracy, because in the real world you sometimes have to compromise to get things done. If deep down your position in most things is "the opposite of what X wants", you can't really find common ground with X.

So in the spirit of saving liberal democracy from authoritarian populism, let's find an issue/topic/stance (even just a little one) on which you agree with...


... Steve Bannon
Dick Cheney is like Satan.
... Hillary Clinton
The US had (and still has) a lot of damage to repair in foreign policy.

... Anita Sarkeesian
That harassment of women in tech and gaming is far, far, FAR worse than it is for men.
... Milo Yiannopoulos
I literally can not think of a single thing I agree with this fraction of a human being on. Not one thing.


... the Remain Campaign
That we should stay in the EU. (duh!).
... the Leave Campaign
That promising £350m a week to the NHS was a stupid idea. (Nigel Farage said that the day after the vote, because apparently despite not contradicting it or speaking out against it throughout the entire campaign, "he never would have said that". What a knob).

... the NRA
There is something I want to agree with, but it would be considered grossly offensive. So - much like Milo Yiannopoulos, I can't think of a single thing that is postable.
... the Brady Campaign
Pretty much everything.

... Karl Marx
That while it might now have been replaced with TV, and especially reality TV, and is on the way to being replaced with Social Media, religion is - indeed - the opiate of the masses.
... Ayn Rand
In a very, very limited way, her opposition to Nazism. But don't think that means I agree with anything else she might have supported :)
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Shofercia » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:15 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:Everyone loves to define who they are by who or what they are against. It feels good, but it's really bad for democracy, because in the real world you sometimes have to compromise to get things done. If deep down your position in most things is "the opposite of what X wants", you can't really find common ground with X.

So in the spirit of saving liberal democracy from authoritarian populism, let's find an issue/topic/stance (even just a little one) on which you agree with...

... Steve Bannon
... Hillary Clinton

... Anita Sarkeesian
... Milo Yiannopoulos

... the Remain Campaign
... the Leave Campaign

... the NRA
... the Brady Campaign

... Karl Marx
... Ayn Rand

Obviously the point here is to find stuff for both in each of these pairs. More pairs would be welcome, if you can think of some.


Steve Bannon - his stance on Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton - her stance on Steve Bannon

Anita Sarkeesian - her stance on Milo Yiannopoulos
Milo Yiannopoulos - his stance on Anita Sarkeesian

Karl Marx - friends like Engels are important
Ayn Rand - I guess she wrote what were allegedly words

the Remain Campaign - want what they think is best for their country
the Leave Campaign - want what they think is best for their country

the NRA - guns are cool
the Brady Campaign - guns can hurt
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