China Bans North Korean Coal

[Saiwania]

If they were serious about that, they wouldn't care about foreign imports. They would be shutting down coal factories on their home turf.

China is not going to disrupt their own power grid but in the interim before they can take the majority if not all of their coal plants offline, China is supposedly working on rolling out at least 100 nuclear power plants. Most other countries are too afraid of pursuing nuclear to the extent that they could be doing.

[Peta Kozarska Brigada]

OOC: Geez, this is already close to 100 posts!

NSG is OOC

[Samudera Darussalam]

I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint. Coal is no good as an energy resource anymore.

Lol
Who knows what's really going on in the mind of the Chinese leadership?

[Dytarma]

OOC: Geez, this is already close to 100 posts!

NSG is OOC

OOC: I'm talking outside of the discussion.

[The Federation of Kendor]

If they were serious about that, they wouldn't care about foreign imports. They would be shutting down coal factories on their home turf.

China is not going to disrupt their own power grid but in the interim before they can take the majority if not all of their coal plants offline, China is supposedly working on rolling out at least 100 nuclear power plants. Most other countries are too afraid of pursuing nuclear to the extent that they could be doing.

The other countries are justified, given that the nuclear waste could pollute the enviroment with radioactivity, or there could be a chance of nuclear meltdown, like Chernobyl or Fukushima-Daichi

[Valaran]

I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint.

If they were serious about that, they wouldn't care about foreign imports. They would be shutting down coal factories on their home turf.

Its too politically sensitive in China to do that - provincial administration was squealing over central gov't directives (many provinces rely on coal), and the CCP gets very concerned when faced with mass strike action. Hence, when they tried to create domestic curbs on coal production, they were forced to back down.

[The Federation of Kendor]

NSG is OOC

OOC: I'm talking outside of the discussion.

Well, no need to use the OOC tag

[Great Minarchistan]

I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint. Coal is no good as an energy resource anymore.

> Implying this impacts a small fraction of China's coal consumption

[Dytarma]

OOC: I'm talking outside of the discussion.

Well, no need to use the OOC tag

:/ but I like using it...

[Serkia]

How is it communist? China has a free market and has armed anti communist groups around the world.

Also putting capitalist and democracy in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

But China still spied US for their technology and secrets. They also have strict laws, such as making gaming addicts join the military, and instituted strict punishment, and other dubious stuffs. They also don't recognize Taiwan as independent nation

Also, what do you mean by that?

Just because they have strict laws and strict punishment doesn't mean they're communist, look at Saudi Arabia or Iran. And of course they're not going to recognise Taiwan as an independent nation because Taiwan is not.

What I mean is that some of the most authoritarian regimes in history have been capitalist.

[Novus America]

Which will damage their economy

But, it would save their country from becoming a environmental basket case. They will lose all their water in thirteen years because of their over reliance on coal.

Well it might reduce the damage. They already are an environmental basket case.
The water thing is not because of coal or air pollution though, but from overuse.

[Drayxaso]

Looks like the DPRK is in need of a new buyer. Someone more aligned to their political philosophy.


Now if only there were someone out there who needed massive amounts of coal. Someone with a cult of personality and a keen interest in surveillance. Someone who sees you when your sleeping. Who knows when you're awake.

Yep, that's definitely sig-worthy.

[Adytus]

I welcome this action 100%, and I look forward to seeing further, if any, actions by the Chinese government in the future on helping to prevent North Korea from becoming a larger threat.

[Saiwania]

The other countries are justified, given that the nuclear waste could pollute the enviroment with radioactivity, or there could be a chance of nuclear meltdown, like Chernobyl or Fukushima-Daichi

Go with Thorium, along with the most updated reactor designs. The radiation will be above natural levels for only 100 years as opposed to 10,000. Most existing nuclear power plants are 1960s or 1970s designs because the nuclear industry has been neglected and starved of reinvestment capital.

[Internationalist Bastard]

But, it would save their country from becoming a environmental basket case. They will lose all their water in thirteen years because of their over reliance on coal.

Well it might reduce the damage. They already are an environmental basket case.
The water thing is not because of coal or air pollution though, but from overuse.

I honestly don't know if the Huangsha is fixable at this point

[Novus America]

China is not going to disrupt their own power grid but in the interim before they can take the majority if not all of their coal plants offline, China is supposedly working on rolling out at least 100 nuclear power plants. Most other countries are too afraid of pursuing nuclear to the extent that they could be doing.

The other countries are justified, given that the nuclear waste could pollute the enviroment with radioactivity, or there could be a chance of nuclear meltdown, like Chernobyl or Fukushima-Daichi

Nuclear is the safest form of power.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.c ... ent=safari

Switching to nuclear would save lives. Sadly only China is really doing it.
We should follow suit.

China is working on build large amounts of hydro, nuclear and other clean energy sources. But it is a bit late, it will take a while, and they already screwed up so much.

Still better late than never.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

Good on China, although hardly a jem themselves the North Korean government serves as nothing more than a lingering stain of a by gone era. One marked by authoritarian regimes and barbarity.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The other countries are justified, given that the nuclear waste could pollute the enviroment with radioactivity, or there could be a chance of nuclear meltdown, like Chernobyl or Fukushima-Daichi

Nuclear is the safest form of power.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.c ... ent=safari

Switching to nuclear would save lives. Sadly only China is really doing it.
We should follow suit.

Well I think Solar and Wind would be safer just by virtue of not being deadly at all, but nuclear is safer then people think

[Fartsniffage]

Nuclear is the safest form of power.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.c ... ent=safari

Switching to nuclear would save lives. Sadly only China is really doing it.
We should follow suit.

Well I think Solar and Wind would be safer just by virtue of not being deadly at all, but nuclear is safer then people think

What we need are really good batteries.

[Novus America]

Nuclear is the safest form of power.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.c ... ent=safari

Switching to nuclear would save lives. Sadly only China is really doing it.
We should follow suit.

Well I think Solar and Wind would be safer just by virtue of not being deadly at all, but nuclear is safer then people think

Actually solar and wind kill more. Wind turbines can be dangerous. They can fall over or drop a blade of death from the sky. Deaths from solar are mostly from installation and maintenance people falling off roofs.

[Novus America]

Well I think Solar and Wind would be safer just by virtue of not being deadly at all, but nuclear is safer then people think

What we need are really good batteries.

We do, but we need nuclear as well. Safest, clean, least amount of land used, highest capacity factor. Nuclear is simply the best.

[Valaran]

What we need are really good batteries.

We do, but we need nuclear as well. Safest, clean, least amount of land used, highest capacity factor. Nuclear is simply the best.

Just making a single post on this (so not to derail), but what would be even better is development of thorium and molten salt reactors.

[Great Minarchistan]

How is it communist? China has a free market

While I strongly agree that China isn't communist, they are FAR from having a free market. Heritage Foundation ranks China in 111 out of 186 in the countries with most economic freedom.

and has armed anti communist groups around the world.

I would gladly read a source for that.

Also putting capitalist and democracy in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

Implying most democracies in the world are capitalist?

[Novus America]

We do, but we need nuclear as well. Safest, clean, least amount of land used, highest capacity factor. Nuclear is simply the best.

Just making a single post on this (so not to derail), but what would be even better is development of thorium and molten salt reactors.

True, but you are right, we are getting off topic.

[Internationalist Bastard]

What we need are really good batteries.

We do, but we need nuclear as well. Safest, clean, least amount of land used, highest capacity factor. Nuclear is simply the best.

...that doesn't seem remotely comprable to a nuclear meltdown