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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:51 pm

Populi-Terrae wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:By culture and marriage yes


Well, I don't think 'excessive' can properly describe burning entire cities, using biological warfare and slaughtering prisoners.

Don't foget not spilling royal blood by rolling him up in a rig and stomping him to death :p
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:52 pm

Uxupox wrote:
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See this is the kind of time i'd expect them to do it.

If you present them with the same options we see for them:

Civil war
War with south
Give up

I'd wager there will be many who want war with the south. It would prevent a civil war for a bit, and giving up might not be an option they are willing to consider.


this fattie is not going to give up any time soon.

Yep. There is even a chance he will launch nuke on Japan and South Korea
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:52 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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Well, I don't think 'excessive' can properly describe burning entire cities, using biological warfare and slaughtering prisoners.

Don't foget not spilling royal blood by rolling him up in a rig and stomping him to death :p


That last one sounds like something Kim Jong-un would actually do. :p
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:53 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well, real monarchies. Obviously nations like Britain and Japan which are basically just republics with a crown try to keep up with the times,but say, Saudi Arabia, or yes, the older medieval monarchies

Do you mean Saudi Arabia because they behead and stone people?

And to prevent this thread from derailing, how does North Korea gain uranium from the money they get from coal trade? Did they buy it from African dictatorships?


I suppose they get it somewhere else.
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Postby Peta Kozarska Brigada » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:53 pm

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Serkia wrote:Shame on China for doing this, betraying the DPRK like this shows that they're nothing but a revisionist state.

Or the DPRK is a nutjob. Either way, (though this is probably the only time an American will ever say this.) Great job China!

Till we silently go to supporting them again and they still haven't collapsed
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:53 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Populi-Terrae wrote:
Well, I don't think 'excessive' can properly describe burning entire cities, using biological warfare and slaughtering prisoners.

Don't foget not spilling royal blood by rolling him up in a rig and stomping him to death :p

And executing anyone who see his funeral to keep his grave secret (i don't know if you are referring to Genghis Khan though)
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Serkia";p="<a href="tel:31143504">31143504</a> wrote:Shame on China for doing this, betraying the DPRK like this shows that they're nothing but a revisionist state.

Or the DPRK is a nutjob. Either way, (though this is probably the only time an American will ever say this.) Great job China!

Yes. Cuba should also become more capitalist and democratic and support the sanction against North Korea to make up for their own socialist history
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Postby Valaran » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:54 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:Then how about the defectors, as China deports North Korea's defectors if caught, giving the defectors a worse fate


China probably won't do much concerning defections. As a form of leverage, its fairly minor.
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Great Minarchistan wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:Do you mean Saudi Arabia because they behead and stone people?

And to prevent this thread from derailing, how does North Korea gain uranium from the money they get from coal trade? Did they buy it from African dictatorships?


I suppose they get it somewhere else.

China should have tried locating the secret mining hotspot and close them all
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Don't foget not spilling royal blood by rolling him up in a rig and stomping him to death :p

And executing anyone who see his funeral to keep his grave secret (i don't know if you are referring to Genghis Khan though)
Dytarma wrote:Or the DPRK is a nutjob. Either way, (though this is probably the only time an American will ever say this.) Great job China!

Yes. Cuba should also become more capitalist and democratic and support the sanction against North Korea to make up for their own socialist history

Oh no that gem was killing I believe the Muslim Caliph. Mongols were dicks
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:55 pm

I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint. Coal is no good as an energy resource anymore.
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Postby Peta Kozarska Brigada » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:55 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:

China should have tried locating the secret mining hotspot and close them all

we're not the good man here
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:56 pm

Valaran wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:Then how about the defectors, as China deports North Korea's defectors if caught, giving the defectors a worse fate


China probably won't do much concerning defections. As a form of leverage, its fairly minor.


Not if the defectors are someone of high-rank. If China keeps this sort of defector away from North Korea, the DPRK will be falling over themselves trying to get him back.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:57 pm

Saiwania wrote:I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint.

Can you blame them? You ever been to China?
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:57 pm

Peta Kozarska Brigada wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:China should have tried locating the secret mining hotspot and close them all

we're not the good man here

What do you mean?
Saiwania wrote:I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint.

I don't actually know, but for the smog and carbon footprint, it will be difficult for China, given their partly communist economy mean they build many fosil fuel factory and power plants to save money
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:57 pm

Saiwania wrote:I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint. Coal is no good as an energy resource anymore.


Fucking lol.

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Postby Populi-Terrae » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:57 pm

Saiwania wrote:I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint.


If they were serious about that, they wouldn't care about foreign imports. They would be shutting down coal factories on their home turf.
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:58 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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And executing anyone who see his funeral to keep his grave secret (i don't know if you are referring to Genghis Khan though)

I'm talking about the Mongols in general.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:58 pm

Populi-Terrae wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I doubt that this is to punish North Korea. This is solely because China is actually serious about reducing their smog and carbon footprint.


If they were serious about that, they wouldn't care about foreign imports. They would be shutting down coal factories on their home turf.

Which will damage their economy
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:59 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Populi-Terrae wrote:
If they were serious about that, they wouldn't care about foreign imports. They would be shutting down coal factories on their home turf.

Which will damage their economy


But, it would save their country from becoming a environmental basket case. They will lose all their water in thirteen years because of their over reliance on coal.
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Postby Serkia » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:59 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Serkia wrote:China is not communist and hasn't been since Mao died.

If you aren't aware, Deng Xiaoping, Mao' successor, didn't change China into a totally capitalist democracy because of his philosophy that both ideology can coexist peacefully. China is still authoritarian, as it's one party and all other party is banned, and it do have some communist remnants, like some of their laws.

How is it communist? China has a free market and has armed anti communist groups around the world.

Also putting capitalist and democracy in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
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Postby Valaran » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:59 pm

Populi-Terrae wrote:Not if the defectors are someone of high-rank. If China keeps this sort of defector away from North Korea, the DPRK will be falling over themselves trying to get him back.


NK will try to get them if they can, but its not espcially damaging. China already holds the economic reins; if it isn't getting sufficient leverage from this (and supposedly, it isn't), defectors will hardly tip the balance.
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Postby Peta Kozarska Brigada » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:00 pm

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Peta Kozarska Brigada wrote:we're not the good man here

What do you mean?

You're expecting us to do something in your favor

Go and figure
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:02 pm

Serkia wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:If you aren't aware, Deng Xiaoping, Mao' successor, didn't change China into a totally capitalist democracy because of his philosophy that both ideology can coexist peacefully. China is still authoritarian, as it's one party and all other party is banned, and it do have some communist remnants, like some of their laws.

How is it communist? China has a free market and has armed anti communist groups around the world.

Also putting capitalist and democracy in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

But China still spied US for their technology and secrets. They also have strict laws, such as making gaming addicts join the military, and instituted strict punishment, and other dubious stuffs. They also don't recognize Taiwan as independent nation

Also, what do you mean by that?
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Postby Peta Kozarska Brigada » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:04 pm

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Serkia wrote:How is it communist? China has a free market and has armed anti communist groups around the world.

Also putting capitalist and democracy in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

But China still spied US for their technology and secrets. They also have strict laws, such as making gaming addicts join the military, and instituted strict punishment, and other dubious stuffs. They also don't recognize Taiwan as independent nation

Also, what do you mean by that?

None of these are explicitly 'communist'. Authoritarian, maybe, but no, these are characteristic of many states far from communism.
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