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China Bans North Korean Coal

Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:06 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 87931.html

China bans all coal imports from North Korea, severing major financial lifeline for regime
Pyongyang depends on Beijing to stay financially afloat


China has announced it is suspending all coal imports from North Korea until the end of the year in a move which will deal a major financial blow to the Pyongyang regime.

The surprise announcement by the Chinese Commerce Ministry is a sign of Beijing’s increasing reluctance to prop up the North Korean regime if it carries out further nuclear tests.

Coal is North Korea’s largest export item and it is believed to have been dependent on China for trade and aid since its economy collapsed in the late 1990s.

The Commerce Ministry said the move was China fulfilling its obligation to implement last November’s UN Security Council resolution to impose further economic sanctions on Pyongyang after it detonated its fifth nuclear test of 2016.

Beijing has historically been more reluctant to impose sanctions on North Korea than other world powers because it is concerned about a power vacuum on its southern border if the regime is allowed to fail.

Previously China had agreed to partially restricted North Korea coal imports – saying it would make an exception for deliveries intended for the “people’s well-being” which were not connect to Pyongyang’s nuclear programme.

But the day after the test of an intermediate-range ballistic missile last week it rejected a coal shipment from the Hermit Kingdom said to be worth around $1m (£805,000).

China has felt increasing frustration over North Korea’s most recent missile test and the assassination of Kim Jong Un’s half-brother in Malaysia.

Kim Jong Nam had been living in China for many years so it his death is revealed to have been orchestrated by Pyongyang Beijing will view it as a direct slight.

Paul Haenle, the director of the Carnegie-Tsinghua Center in Beijing, told the Washington Post: “China still places a premium on stability, but Xi Jinping is growing more and more frustrated with Kim Jong Un.

“Beijing took the assassination as a direct affront to China. Xi is less willing to tolerate these provocations,” he said. “China is putting a squeeze on its economic lifeline to send a message to Pyongyang.” Beijing has also come under increasing pressure from other world powers as it is seen as the other country which can rein Pyongyang in.

US President Donald Trump said China had “total control over North Korea” during an interview with Fox & Friends before his inauguration last month.

He said: "China should solve that problem. And if they don’t solve the problem, we should make trade very difficult for China."


Seems China is super pissed that north korea is actually going nuclear, and is now trying to bring down the regime through diplomatic and economic action, signalling that north korea is now isolated from everyone.

Also, China suspects some shenanigans over an assassination, and is annoyed about that.

At this point, we might see North Korea decide it's now or never and try it's war on the south (without nukes, at least.), or might see them collapse in what would be a major humanitarian and political crisis.

Alternatively, they simply become an even worse place to live but broadly speaking keep the regime together.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:09 pm

Good riddance. North Korea's path has been faced towards a complete collapse for a long time (thanks daddy socialism).
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:09 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-north-korea-sanctions-coal-economics-nuclear-tests-kim-jong-nam-donald-trump-a7587931.html

China bans all coal imports from North Korea, severing major financial lifeline for regime
Pyongyang depends on Beijing to stay financially afloat


China has announced it is suspending all coal imports from North Korea until the end of the year in a move which will deal a major financial blow to the Pyongyang regime.

The surprise announcement by the Chinese Commerce Ministry is a sign of Beijing’s increasing reluctance to prop up the North Korean regime if it carries out further nuclear tests.

Coal is North Korea’s largest export item and it is believed to have been dependent on China for trade and aid since its economy collapsed in the late 1990s.

The Commerce Ministry said the move was China fulfilling its obligation to implement last November’s UN Security Council resolution to impose further economic sanctions on Pyongyang after it detonated its fifth nuclear test of 2016.

Beijing has historically been more reluctant to impose sanctions on North Korea than other world powers because it is concerned about a power vacuum on its southern border if the regime is allowed to fail.

Previously China had agreed to partially restricted North Korea coal imports – saying it would make an exception for deliveries intended for the “people’s well-being” which were not connect to Pyongyang’s nuclear programme.

But the day after the test of an intermediate-range ballistic missile last week it rejected a coal shipment from the Hermit Kingdom said to be worth around $1m (£805,000).

China has felt increasing frustration over North Korea’s most recent missile test and the assassination of Kim Jong Un’s half-brother in Malaysia.

Kim Jong Nam had been living in China for many years so it his death is revealed to have been orchestrated by Pyongyang Beijing will view it as a direct slight.

Paul Haenle, the director of the Carnegie-Tsinghua Center in Beijing, told the Washington Post: “China still places a premium on stability, but Xi Jinping is growing more and more frustrated with Kim Jong Un.

“Beijing took the assassination as a direct affront to China. Xi is less willing to tolerate these provocations,” he said. “China is putting a squeeze on its economic lifeline to send a message to Pyongyang.” Beijing has also come under increasing pressure from other world powers as it is seen as the other country which can rein Pyongyang in.

US President Donald Trump said China had “total control over North Korea” during an interview with Fox & Friends before his inauguration last month.

He said: "China should solve that problem. And if they don’t solve the problem, we should make trade very difficult for China."


Seems China is super pissed that north korea is actually going nuclear, and is now trying to bring down the regime through diplomatic and economic action, signalling that north korea is now isolated from everyone.

Also, China suspects north korea assassinated someone on Chinese soil, and is annoyed about that.

At this point, we might see North Korea decide it's now or never and try it's war on the south (without nukes, at least.), or might see them collapse in what would be a major humanitarian and political crisis.

Alternatively, they simply become an even worse place to live but broadly speaking keep the regime together.



This will definitely batter North Korea's economy. China is doing the right thing here. China has long shown that it is getting sick and tired of North Korea's antics. It's like a orphaned older brother trying to pay his younger brother's bail. It's great for the younger brother, bur embarrassing for the older brother. This is the equivalent of the older brother cutting the younger brother off from the former's money.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:10 pm

North Korea actually has coal? I thought that was just something they made up as an excuse when their sappers got caught digging under the DMZ.
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Postby Gaozu » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:11 pm

It's a step in the right direction at least
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Postby The Soverign Safe Spaces » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:14 pm

Some sense in the Communist nation, I suppose. I condemn their nuclear program and human rights abuses.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:16 pm

Vassenor wrote:North Korea actually has coal? I thought that was just something they made up as an excuse when their sappers got caught digging under the DMZ.


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Postby The Corparation » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:16 pm

Hopefully this puts some economic pressure of Kim's regime, but I'm not very confident that this will lead to any major changes in the situation. It's a blow to North Korea's bank accounts for sure, but I don't think it's enough to sway their course on its own.

Ostroeuropa wrote:Also, China suspects north korea assassinated someone on Chinese soil, and is annoyed about that.

When did this happen? Unless you're referring to the recent death of Kim's half brother in which case I suggest someone call up Malaysia and let them know that they've been annexed by Chin

Vassenor wrote:North Korea actually has coal? I thought that was just something they made up as an excuse when their sappers got caught digging under the DMZ.

Coal is one of their biggest exports. That's a big reason why everyone fell over laughing when they called the invasion tunnels coal mines. Coal is one of the only things they know how to do.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:18 pm

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Vassenor wrote:North Korea actually has coal? I thought that was just something they made up as an excuse when their sappers got caught digging under the DMZ.


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The Corparation wrote:Hopefully this puts some economic pressure of Kim's regime, but I'm not very confident that this will lead to any major changes in the situation. It's a blow to North Korea's bank accounts for sure, but I don't think it's enough to sway their course on its own.

Ostroeuropa wrote:Also, China suspects north korea assassinated someone on Chinese soil, and is annoyed about that.

When did this happen? Unless you're referring to the recent death of Kim's half brother in which case I suggest someone call up Malaysia and let them know that they've been annexed by Chin

Vassenor wrote:North Korea actually has coal? I thought that was just something they made up as an excuse when their sappers got caught digging under the DMZ.

Coal is one of their biggest exports. That's a big reason why everyone fell over laughing when they called the invasion tunnels coal mines. Coal is one of the only things they know how to do.


I derped I guess. I'll edit the op.
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Good thing. Everything that funded Kim Jong Un must be embargoed, and all of his foreign accounts freezed
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And there goes their last economic peg. Shouldn't have killed your uncle, huh Un?
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:And there goes their last economic peg. Shouldn't have killed your uncle, huh Un?


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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:28 pm

Looks like the DPRK is in need of a new buyer. Someone more aligned to their political philosophy.


Now if only there were someone out there who needed massive amounts of coal. Someone with a cult of personality and a keen interest in surveillance. Someone who sees you when your sleeping. Who knows when you're awake.
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:And there goes their last economic peg. Shouldn't have killed your uncle, huh Un?

He shouldn't also killed his enemies in horrifying ways, such as burning them with flamethrowers, making the dogs tasted human meat, or ripping the victim to shred with AA gun
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:And there goes their last economic peg. Shouldn't have killed your uncle, huh Un?


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Oh he also killed his uncle, a man who wanted to focus on economic development rather then military. This was a few years ago
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Neanderthaland wrote:Looks like the DPRK is in need of a new buyer. Someone more aligned to their political philosophy.


Venezuela and Cuba receive NK exports with open arms, yet I doubt they can really afford coal.
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Oh he also killed his uncle, a man who wanted to focus on economic development rather then military. This was a few years ago


I thought he was executed for corruption.
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:And there goes their last economic peg. Shouldn't have killed your uncle, huh Un?

He shouldn't also killed his enemies in horrifying ways, such as burning them with flamethrowers, making the dogs tasted human meat, or ripping the victim to shred with AA gun

Well it is a monarchy. They live for interesting execution methods.
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Neanderthaland wrote:Looks like the DPRK is in need of a new buyer. Someone more aligned to their political philosophy.


Now if only there were someone out there who needed massive amounts of coal. Someone with a cult of personality and a keen interest in surveillance. Someone who sees you when your sleeping. Who knows when you're awake.

There is no one who supports their policy, and their leader is a crazy person who threatens to nuke their neigbours and the US. And Cuba can't help, especially with Castro's dead
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Populi-Terrae wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh he also killed his uncle, a man who wanted to focus on economic development rather then military. This was a few years ago


I thought he was executed for corruption.

Corruption being not supporting the military
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:He shouldn't also killed his enemies in horrifying ways, such as burning them with flamethrowers, making the dogs tasted human meat, or ripping the victim to shred with AA gun

Well it is a monarchy. They live for interesting execution methods.

What do you mean by monarchy liking interesting execution methods? Do you mean the execution methods of medieval European nations, like hanged, [REDACTED AND WON'T GO FURTHER BECAUSE OF PG-13]
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well it is a monarchy. They live for interesting execution methods.

What do you mean by monarchy liking interesting execution methods? Do you mean the execution methods of medieval European nations, like hanged, [REDACTED AND WON'T GO FURTHER BECAUSE OF PG-13]

Well, real monarchies. Obviously nations like Britain and Japan which are basically just republics with a crown try to keep up with the times,but say, Saudi Arabia, or yes, the older medieval monarchies
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The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Looks like the DPRK is in need of a new buyer. Someone more aligned to their political philosophy.


Now if only there were someone out there who needed massive amounts of coal. Someone with a cult of personality and a keen interest in surveillance. Someone who sees you when your sleeping. Who knows when you're awake.

There is no one who supports their policy, and their leader is a crazy person who threatens to nuke their neigbours and the US. And Cuba can't help, especially with Castro's dead


Pssst. He was talking about Trump. :P

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:What do you mean by monarchy liking interesting execution methods? Do you mean the execution methods of medieval European nations, like hanged, [REDACTED AND WON'T GO FURTHER BECAUSE OF PG-13]

Well, real monarchies. Obviously nations like Britain and Japan which are basically just republics with a crown try to keep up with the times,but say, Saudi Arabia, or yes, the older medieval monarchies

Do you mean Saudi Arabia because they behead and stone people?

And to prevent this thread from derailing, how does North Korea gain uranium from the money they get from coal trade? Did they buy it from African dictatorships?
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