I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Sdaeriji]

No. I said if you are a pedophile you either have or will molest a child not if you are alive you are a pedophile. Weren't you arguing chi-mos and pedos weren't the same thing?

Yes, I was. However, YOU FIT the very definition you've given for pedophiles. Everyone on the planet does. In fact, it is impossible not to be a pedophile under your definition of it. Hurray!

My definition for a pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children. I am not sexually attracted to children.

Prove it.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

My definition for a pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children. I am not sexually attracted to children.

Hurray for selective memory!

[The Imperial Navy]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

[Station 12]

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

Yes, he's made a classical fallacy that Stephen Pinker talks about called the hydraulic theory of mind.

See, I knew there was a fallacy in here somewhere, but I didn't know the name. That's why we've been arguing in circles for however many freaking pages.

[Des-Bal]

You ever get the feeling you are arguing with a brick wall?

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

Sexual energy always comes out in some form but playing baseball because you can't get laid is like eating carrots instead of smoking the sensation just isn't the same and you will eventually escalate or get what you want

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

See, I knew there was a fallacy in here somewhere, but I didn't know the name. That's why we've been arguing in circles for however many freaking pages.

Sadly, knowing the fallacies want stop this unending train wreck.

[Izistan]

Please remind yourself that you are talking about human beings and not sex-crazed animals.

You seriously believe there is a difference?

So by you're own personalized form of logic, you are admitting to being a sex-crazed animal? Then where does this holier-than-thou attitude come from? By you're own admittance, you are no better than the rest of us.

"holier-than-thou attitude"?

[Person012345]

Ok, from what I understand des bal, you are saying that if a paedophile lives an infinitely long life, they will abuse a child. And therefore they should be chemically castrated. Is that right?

Apart from the obvious thing that people don't live forever, I would still dispute that as wrong. If I lived forever, I would keep my protecting instincts. I will never lose them, except when I die.

There is a nonzero (but ludicrously small) chance that any person in the world will molest a child. Given an infinite amount of time, any person will eventually do every single thing possible. Sorry, just the laws of probability mixed with the concept of infinity.

Probability doesn't work when you have an intelligent force at work does it? I have control over what I do. Given an infinitely long time, I may every time presented with the opportunity turn it down.

Even so, if you rely on that logic, everyone needs chemically castrating. Besides, humans don't live forever.

There is a breaking point and given the constant bottled up pressure that everyones been talking about it is inevitable that you will reach it eventually with any luck the breaking point is sometime after you die.

No there isn't. We disagree on this fundamental principle. My morality is very strong, and my desire to protect children will last my life. I do not want to hurt them. I would like to have sexual relations with them, but is it worth their hurt? No, and it never will be. Ever. The pressure is released by masturbation, and by talking. Really, it's a relief. As I said, the best thing is being close to them for a while, having normal contact, as you would be happy to do in a room full of people, and them go home and whack one out. It really helps. It is a release.

However, if you think that every human is fundamentally too weak to control desires, even when they have releases, then that is your choice. My instincts are to protect them. I won't be abusing anyone ever. And for you to tell me I should be chemically castrated... just no. You do it. I don't believe you deserve children if you were to teach them this shit, so just to be safe, do it.

[2nd PLT]

Are there people who really want this thread stopped?

[Des-Bal]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Sexual energy always comes out in some form but playing baseball because you can't get laid is like eating carrots instead of smoking the sensation just isn't the same and you will eventually escalate or get what you want

Sexual energy, huh? Is that one of those new extensions to the standard model that the LHC is trying to test?

[Sdaeriji]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

There you go.

[Des-Bal]

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

Yes, he's made a classical fallacy that Stephen Pinker talks about called the hydraulic theory of mind.

See, I knew there was a fallacy in here somewhere, but I didn't know the name. That's why we've been arguing in circles for however many freaking pages.

We're going in circles because you keep saying the same things.

[Station 12]

You ever get the feeling you are arguing with a brick wall?

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

Sexual energy always comes out in some form but playing baseball because you can't get laid is like eating carrots instead of smoking the sensation just isn't the same and you will eventually escalate or get what you want

...Again, that is not how urges work, des. You've essentially just repeated the very same point I just said was wrong without any change.

[Des-Bal]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

There you go.

There is no flaw there. I am not sexually attracted to children and a pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

Every single person on the planet will eventually have sex with a child or die without having sex with a child. How is this not clear to you? It's so fucking obvious!

[Blob-land]

Are there people who really want this thread stopped?

Yes. I want this man in a mental rehabilitation center, more like.

[Sdaeriji]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

There you go.

There is no flaw there. I am not sexually attracted to children and a pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.

Prove both statements.

[Des-Bal]

You ever get the feeling you are arguing with a brick wall?

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

Sexual energy always comes out in some form but playing baseball because you can't get laid is like eating carrots instead of smoking the sensation just isn't the same and you will eventually escalate or get what you want

...Again, that is not how urges work, des. You've essentially just repeated the very same point I just said was wrong without any change.

Because it wasn't wrong?

[The Imperial Navy]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

There is the flaw.

And again, regarding your claim that you are not a Padophile. PROVE IT.

[Izistan]

Are there people who really want this thread stopped?

It is the best thread in the history of NSG.

[Des-Bal]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

There you go.

There is no flaw there. I am not sexually attracted to children and a pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.

Prove both statements.

I am not sexually attracted to children. This proves I am not sexually attracted to children.
A pedophile wants sex with children and is under constant pressure to do so. They wil eventually do so.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Prove both statements.

Well the first statement is a tautology, so it's automatically true.

The second statement is up to him.

[Des-Bal]

Des-bal, no matter what you say, the end result is that your logic is fatally flawed.

Please explain which part of my logic is flawed.

A pedophile is sexually attracted to children. A pedophile will eventually have sex with children or die.
I am not sexually attracted to children. I am not a pedophile.

There is the flaw.

And again, regarding your claim that you are not a Padophile. PROVE IT.

I am not sexually attracted to children. Thus proving I am not sexually attracted to children.

[Station 12]

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

Yes, he's made a classical fallacy that Stephen Pinker talks about called the hydraulic theory of mind.

See, I knew there was a fallacy in here somewhere, but I didn't know the name. That's why we've been arguing in circles for however many freaking pages.

We're going in circles because you keep saying the same things.

Because every time I make a freaking counter-argument you just repeat your original argument without any change at all, so I have to say the same counter-argument, as a counter, to that argument, and then you repeat the original argument again. Repeating yourself until I get bored of the argument doesn't make you right.