I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Blob-land]

You are a sexual pervert. I applaud you for not acting on it though, and admonish you to get help if you ever feel like you're going to.

^ this

[Des-Bal]

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

By that logic, you are a peadophile too.

No... If you have the desires to molest children you eventually will I didn't say if you live long enough you become a pedophile.

But can you prove to me you've never had sexual urges for a child? No. That means if I wanted to, I could claim you are a paedophile. Thats what your logic suggests.

No your using pedobear mcarthyism. That has NOTHING to do with what I said.

[Izistan]

Please remind yourself that you are talking about human beings and not sex-crazed animals.

You seriously believe there is a difference?

Yes. It says a lot about you that you don't.

are you a libertarian?

[Sdaeriji]

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

By that logic, you are a peadophile too.

No... If you have the desires to molest children you eventually will I didn't say if you live long enough you become a pedophile.

Prove you don't have the desire to molest children.

[The Imperial Navy]

No your using pedobear mcarthyism. That has NOTHING to do with what I said.

Thats because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Person012345]

Ok, from what I understand des bal, you are saying that if a paedophile lives an infinitely long life, they will abuse a child. And therefore they should be chemically castrated. Is that right?

Apart from the obvious thing that people don't live forever, I would still dispute that as wrong. If I lived forever, I would keep my protecting instincts. I will never lose them, except when I die.

There is a nonzero (but ludicrously small) chance that any person in the world will molest a child. Given an infinite amount of time, any person will eventually do every single thing possible. Sorry, just the laws of probability mixed with the concept of infinity.

Probability doesn't work when you have an intelligent force at work does it? I have control over what I do. Given an infinitely long time, I may every time presented with the opportunity turn it down.

Even so, if you rely on that logic, everyone needs chemically castrating. Besides, humans don't live forever.

[Des-Bal]

He stated that he wants to fuck children somewhere...?

No, but since the only possibilities for him or anyone else on the planet are that he has already molested a child, he will eventually molest a child, or he will eventually die never having molested a child, and these states are what he claimed define a pedophile, HE HIMSELF ironically fits his own definition.

No. I said if you are a pedophile you either have or will molest a child not if you are alive you are a pedophile. Weren't you arguing chi-mos and pedos weren't the same thing?

[Des-Bal]

No your using pedobear mcarthyism. That has NOTHING to do with what I said.

Thats because you have no idea what you're talking about.

At this point you've gone from questioning logic I never posed to saying I don't know what I'm saying about something I never said.

[Blob-land]

This is scary. You shouldn't be saying these things, GTFO the internet, pedophile.

[The Imperial Navy]

You ever get the feeling you are arguing with a brick wall?

[Person012345]

He stated that he wants to fuck children somewhere...?

No, but since the only possibilities for him or anyone else on the planet are that he has already molested a child, he will eventually molest a child, or he will eventually die never having molested a child, and these states are what he claimed define a pedophile, HE HIMSELF ironically fits his own definition.

No. I said if you are a pedophile you either have or will molest a child not if you are alive you are a pedophile. Weren't you arguing chi-mos and pedos weren't the same thing?

Well, you don't put a time limit on the molesting. Non-paedophiles molest children, and thus everyone is at risk of molesting a child. Thus, by your logic, everyone should be chemically castrated.

[Fatci]

Because nothing matters more than protecting kids. it's a maternal instinct. We'd kill everyone in the world if we felt it'd protect our own offspring.

Nothing matters more than logic and reason. The fate of all humans matters less than mathematical and scientific truth, which transcend such a pitiful species.

...unless we're the only creatures in all of existence capable of mapping out and understanding that mathematical and scientific truth.

Ultimate mathematical and scientific truth mean little if there is nothing capable of marveling at it.

I mean, technically, that truth, that fatci is already out there. We just have not discerned it.

And I certainly don't see any octopi stepping up to the plate.

[The Imperial Navy]

No your using pedobear mcarthyism. That has NOTHING to do with what I said.

Thats because you have no idea what you're talking about.

At this point you've gone from questioning logic I never posed to saying I don't know what I'm saying about something I never said.

Your logic leads you to fit into your own catagory, which you then deny. Hence, you have not a clue what you are on about. You are now arguing because you don't want to lose face.

[Des-Bal]

Ok, from what I understand des bal, you are saying that if a paedophile lives an infinitely long life, they will abuse a child. And therefore they should be chemically castrated. Is that right?

Apart from the obvious thing that people don't live forever, I would still dispute that as wrong. If I lived forever, I would keep my protecting instincts. I will never lose them, except when I die.

There is a nonzero (but ludicrously small) chance that any person in the world will molest a child. Given an infinite amount of time, any person will eventually do every single thing possible. Sorry, just the laws of probability mixed with the concept of infinity.

Probability doesn't work when you have an intelligent force at work does it? I have control over what I do. Given an infinitely long time, I may every time presented with the opportunity turn it down.

Even so, if you rely on that logic, everyone needs chemically castrating. Besides, humans don't live forever.

There is a breaking point and given the constant bottled up pressure that everyones been talking about it is inevitable that you will reach it eventually with any luck the breaking point is sometime after you die.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Probability doesn't work when you have an intelligent force at work does it?

Yes it does.

I have control over what I do.

This is tricky to nail down, and ultimately only affects probabilities. It doesn't create certainties.

Given an infinitely long time, I may every time presented with the opportunity turn it down.

There's a nonzero (but very small) chance that you won't. This is infinity we're talking about. This isn't just a really big really number.

Even so, if you rely on that logic, everyone needs chemically castrating. Besides, humans don't live forever.

Yes, everyone does, IF I were also one of the dipshits advocating chemical castration.

[Des-Bal]

No your using pedobear mcarthyism. That has NOTHING to do with what I said.

Thats because you have no idea what you're talking about.

At this point you've gone from questioning logic I never posed to saying I don't know what I'm saying about something I never said.

Your logic leads you to fit into your own catagory, which you then deny. Hence, you have not a clue what you are on about. You are now arguing because you don't want to lose face.

No I'm not your not using my logic my logic is a pedophile will eventually molest children not everyone is a pedophile.

[Izistan]

This is scary. You shouldn't be saying these things, GTFO the internet, pedophile.

Blub is that you.

[2nd PLT]

Jesus, you all need a goddamn crash course in mathematics and propositional logic. These arguments are embarrassingly bad.

*justifies child rape with mathematics*
*is beaten by crowd of rational people*

Paedophilia is not child rape, and I have yet to see anyone here attempt to justify child rape. I am sure you have your own personal reasons for reacting so vehemently to this topic, as would I were I not in a position to understand the difference.

I am sure to raise a few eyebrows with the following and am slightly loathe to come forward with this tidbit of insight:

1. I am female. For all of those who are prone to question what I mean by this, I was born with a vagina and still have said vagina.
2. I am a mother.
3. I am a pedophile.

Wow. Wait. What was that?

Let me clarify by saying that I have never desired to nor never will touch my son. I do find myself in rather uncomfortable moments of attraction to children other than my own, especially the female gender for some reason. This is not an ongoing constant in my life. I can be around a child and never once think about what that child looks like naked, or imagine an intimate exchange with that child for that matter. That is to say, it has happened but not frequently. Thankfully not at all for quite some time now. I am going to venture forth with the admittance that I was sexually abused for most of childhood. Not by a priest or nun. Amazing since I went to 12 years of Catholic school, right? I cannot say for sure if my attraction to children is a direct result of my sexual abuse, but I am inclined to think so and it has been evidenced that pedophilia occurs in people who were sexually abused.

*Snip*

It is for people like you that I hold such strong belief for.
I never understood the Victim to abuser cycle, (I see such a thing as a weakness) and I can't understand why those who are victimized behave the way they do.
I had it explained to me as "child's logic" (Well if something like this could happen to me then I must deserve it)
I do however know what happens to those who are victimized and what happens to their children. (Yes when a child is victimized even their child has the scars, they just aren't as deep and they are a different shape)
To my point, (I just realized I have one) I don't understand a lot of the thought processes that have been presented here.
Most of the arguments seem to be semantics. At least this is the way it appears to be to me. People simply playing the devil's advocate, with only regard to keep this battle going. Why?

[Grainne Ni Malley]

Please remind yourself that you are talking about human beings and not sex-crazed animals.

You seriously believe there is a difference?

So by you're own personalized form of logic, you are admitting to being a sex-crazed animal? Then where does this holier-than-thou attitude come from? By you're own admittance, you are no better than the rest of us.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

No. I said if you are a pedophile you either have or will molest a child not if you are alive you are a pedophile. Weren't you arguing chi-mos and pedos weren't the same thing?

Yes, I was. However, YOU FIT the very definition you've given for pedophiles. Everyone on the planet does. In fact, it is impossible not to be a pedophile under your definition of it. Hurray!

[Station 12]

You ever get the feeling you are arguing with a brick wall?

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

[The Imperial Navy]

No I'm not your not using my logic my logic is a pedophile will eventually molest children not everyone is a pedophile.

A Paedophile can be classed from just looking at child porn. A child molester is totally different. Not every paedophile actively molests children, and not all of them will. And there is no way you can prove otherwise, other than opinion. Which is a weak stance to take.

[Des-Bal]

No. I said if you are a pedophile you either have or will molest a child not if you are alive you are a pedophile. Weren't you arguing chi-mos and pedos weren't the same thing?

Yes, I was. However, YOU FIT the very definition you've given for pedophiles. Everyone on the planet does. In fact, it is impossible not to be a pedophile under your definition of it. Hurray!

My definition for a pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children. I am not sexually attracted to children.

[The Imperial Navy]

My definition for a pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to children. I am not sexually attracted to children.

Prove to me you've never had an attraction. You can't.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

More like talking to a tunnel.

There's definitely an echo in here.

Des, the human mind does not work that way. Bottling up a basic emotion, like anger or sadness, that will eventually burst. But sexual attraction is not an emotion, it's an urge, and that's an entirely different concept.

Yes, he's made a classical fallacy that Stephen Pinker talks about called the hydraulic theory of mind.