I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Des-Bal]

No, they don't want to have sex with you the child physically cannot consent.

I repeat *GONG*: I have wanted to have sex with persons whose consent was absolutely unobtainable. This has happened throughout all my life, and probably will happen until my death, but I don't see myself committing rape because of it.

But of course, by Des-Bal's rulebook, this makes you a child molester. *Sigh*

No raping children makes you a child molester being a pedophile means you are either a child molester, will become a child molester or will die before becoming a child molester.

So pedophile = child molester, it's just that some pedophiles never get the chance to act on their desires for one reason or another. Is that a correct statement of your position?

And again, how do you propose to benefit society and find the pedophiles - the closeted, hidden ones, who are only thinking thoughts, who haven't done anything yet - so you can rehabilitate them? I'm asking seriously, I want to know your thoughts.

Yes.

School therapists should be trained to watch for early developmental red flags and any individual who is aware they have these feelings should say so if they don't they aren't half as reasonable as they would claim.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

I gotta hand it to this guy, he don't back down, even when everyone else is debating against him.

There's a fine line between sticking to your guns and being stubborn as hell.

[Station 12]

No, they don't want to have sex with you the child physically cannot consent.

I repeat *GONG*: I have wanted to have sex with persons whose consent was absolutely unobtainable. This has happened throughout all my life, and probably will happen until my death, but I don't see myself committing rape because of it.

They WONT consent the child CANT consent. There is a difference.

So?

The only way a pedophile can have his desires is a felony. You see how things come full circle? If you pursue it it will go back and in a few pages will be here again.

BECAUSE EVERYONE IS COMPLETELY OBSESSED WITH FULFILLING ALL OF THEIR SEXUAL URGES AND WILL INEVITABLY SUCCEED OR DIE

That sound you hear is my head against my wall.

[Izistan]

Stupid and irrelevant commentary or the only rational response to an aborted fetus of a thread, twitching on the dirty floor of walmartNSG?

Definitely stupid and irrelevant.

That would be your onus, not mine.

[Des-Bal]

Jesus, you all need a goddamn crash course in mathematics and propositional logic. These arguments are embarrassingly bad.

*justifies child rape with mathematics*
*is beaten by crowd of rational people*

Paedophilia is not child rape, and I have yet to see anyone here attempt to justify child rape. I am sure you have your own personal reasons for reacting so vehemently to this topic, as would I were I not in a position to understand the difference.

I am sure to raise a few eyebrows with the following and am slightly loathe to come forward with this tidbit of insight:

1. I am female. For all of those who are prone to question what I mean by this, I was born with a vagina and still have said vagina.
2. I am a mother.
3. I am a pedophile.

Wow. Wait. What was that?

Let me clarify by saying that I have never desired to nor never will touch my son. I do find myself in rather uncomfortable moments of attraction to children other than my own, especially the female gender for some reason. This is not an ongoing constant in my life. I can be around a child and never once think about what that child looks like naked, or imagine an intimate exchange with that child for that matter. That is to say, it has happened but not frequently. Thankfully not at all for quite some time now. I am going to venture forth with the admittance that I was sexually abused for most of childhood. Not by a priest or nun. Amazing since I went to 12 years of Catholic school, right? I cannot say for sure if my attraction to children is a direct result of my sexual abuse, but I am inclined to think so and it has been evidenced that pedophilia occurs in people who were sexually abused.

A lengthy article, but quite informative:

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/co ... 4/457.full

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child. This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle” or “abused-abusers phenomena

Since my initial post on the topic was drowned in all the cross-fire, I will reiterate. It is extremely important to distinguish the difference between paedophilia and the sexually abusive perpetrator. It is also equally important to recognize the possibility that one can lead to the other and to seek help if there is even the slightest hint of concern that these urges may be acted upon. Ignorance has the potential to be damaging in all directions.

I think I'll go hide now.

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

[The Imperial Navy]

I gotta hand it to this guy, he don't back down, even when everyone else is debating against him.

There's a fine line between sticking to your guns and being stubborn as hell.

well, that means he honestly believes what he is saying. But so do I, and i'm not backing down.

[Tkdkidsx2]

Hark! you are not alone, I do get uncomfortable moments for minors of the ages 8-12...usually ones with blond hair, where the under layer is darker than the uppermost. Minnie clouds (FF). >.>

But no I coud never see myself wiith an actual child, though as a child I slept with adult men of my own violation.

Uhh... I think it is volition...

No, I think he got it right.

[/sarcasm]?

[Des-Bal]

I gotta hand it to this guy, he don't back down, even when everyone else is debating against him.

I'm an atheist and a libertarian I do this all the time.

[Person012345]

Ok, from what I understand des bal, you are saying that if a paedophile lives an infinitely long life, they will abuse a child. And therefore they should be chemically castrated. Is that right?

Apart from the obvious thing that people don't live forever, I would still dispute that as wrong. If I lived forever, I would keep my protecting instincts. I will never lose them, except when I die.

[The Imperial Navy]

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

By that logic, you are a peadophile too.

[The Imperial Navy]

I gotta hand it to this guy, he don't back down, even when everyone else is debating against him.

I'm an atheist and a libertarian I do this all the time.

Well, that explains that...

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Yes.

School therapists should be trained to watch for early developmental red flags and any individual who is aware they have these feelings should say so if they don't they aren't half as reasonable as they would claim.

So you're really going to trust that people come forward with a truth that, under your system, would net them mandatory chemical castration? That's "realistic."

[Farnhamia]

No, they don't want to have sex with you the child physically cannot consent.

I repeat *GONG*: I have wanted to have sex with persons whose consent was absolutely unobtainable. This has happened throughout all my life, and probably will happen until my death, but I don't see myself committing rape because of it.

But of course, by Des-Bal's rulebook, this makes you a child molester. *Sigh*

No raping children makes you a child molester being a pedophile means you are either a child molester, will become a child molester or will die before becoming a child molester.

So pedophile = child molester, it's just that some pedophiles never get the chance to act on their desires for one reason or another. Is that a correct statement of your position?

And again, how do you propose to benefit society and find the pedophiles - the closeted, hidden ones, who are only thinking thoughts, who haven't done anything yet - so you can rehabilitate them? I'm asking seriously, I want to know your thoughts.

Yes.

School therapists should be trained to watch for early developmental red flags and any individual who is aware they have these feelings should say so if they don't they aren't half as reasonable as they would claim.

I'm going to be off now, but I'll leave you with a request to clarify the "early developmental red flags." Also, do you think that citizens in general should watch out for signs of pedophilia and report people they suspect of being so afflicted? I'm assuming that under your system those signs will be generally available and widely known. You might want to clarify those, too, beyond the too general "desiring sex with children." I ask that because most pedophiles, certainly in this day and age, do not usually go about broadcasting their desires.

[Dyakovo]

No, they don't want to have sex with you the child physically cannot consent.

I repeat *GONG*: I have wanted to have sex with persons whose consent was absolutely unobtainable. This has happened throughout all my life, and probably will happen until my death, but I don't see myself committing rape because of it.

They WONT consent the child CANT consent. There is a difference.

Not from a practical stand point there isn't.

[Izistan]

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

By that logic, you are a peadophile too.

He stated that he wants to fuck children somewhere...?

[Des-Bal]

Ok, from what I understand des bal, you are saying that if a paedophile lives an infinitely long life, they will abuse a child. And therefore they should be chemically castrated. Is that right?

Apart from the obvious thing that people don't live forever, I would still dispute that as wrong. If I lived forever, I would keep my protecting instincts. I will never lose them, except when I die.

A pedophile is like a bomb (not being dickish theres no better analogy) that has a fuse you just aren't sure about. Its completely possible the stuff inside of it will become inert before it goes off. The best move is of course still to defuse it.

[Station 12]

Jesus, you all need a goddamn crash course in mathematics and propositional logic. These arguments are embarrassingly bad.

*justifies child rape with mathematics*
*is beaten by crowd of rational people*

Paedophilia is not child rape, and I have yet to see anyone here attempt to justify child rape. I am sure you have your own personal reasons for reacting so vehemently to this topic, as would I were I not in a position to understand the difference.

I am sure to raise a few eyebrows with the following and am slightly loathe to come forward with this tidbit of insight:

1. I am female. For all of those who are prone to question what I mean by this, I was born with a vagina and still have said vagina.
2. I am a mother.
3. I am a pedophile.

Wow. Wait. What was that?

Let me clarify by saying that I have never desired to nor never will touch my son. I do find myself in rather uncomfortable moments of attraction to children other than my own, especially the female gender for some reason. This is not an ongoing constant in my life. I can be around a child and never once think about what that child looks like naked, or imagine an intimate exchange with that child for that matter. That is to say, it has happened but not frequently. Thankfully not at all for quite some time now. I am going to venture forth with the admittance that I was sexually abused for most of childhood. Not by a priest or nun. Amazing since I went to 12 years of Catholic school, right? I cannot say for sure if my attraction to children is a direct result of my sexual abuse, but I am inclined to think so and it has been evidenced that pedophilia occurs in people who were sexually abused.

A lengthy article, but quite informative:

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/co ... 4/457.full

One of the most obvious examples of an environmental factor that increases the chances of an individual becoming an offender is if he or she were sexually abused as a child. This relationship is known as the “victim-to-abuser cycle” or “abused-abusers phenomena

Since my initial post on the topic was drowned in all the cross-fire, I will reiterate. It is extremely important to distinguish the difference between paedophilia and the sexually abusive perpetrator. It is also equally important to recognize the possibility that one can lead to the other and to seek help if there is even the slightest hint of concern that these urges may be acted upon. Ignorance has the potential to be damaging in all directions.

I think I'll go hide now.

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

It's a sexual
fucking
urge

Not a mind control machine.

I get the urge to jump out of my window. I get the urge to punch people in the face for no reason. I get the urge to jump out of my car while it's moving. If I did those things, I would most certainly be insane, but because I'm a normal human being, I can control my urges. Having an urge does not make you carry it out unless you have absolutely no willpower, and judging from Personnumbernumbernumber's comments, he's got quite a lot of it.

Please remind yourself that you are talking about human beings and not sex-crazed animals.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Ok, from what I understand des bal, you are saying that if a paedophile lives an infinitely long life, they will abuse a child. And therefore they should be chemically castrated. Is that right?

Apart from the obvious thing that people don't live forever, I would still dispute that as wrong. If I lived forever, I would keep my protecting instincts. I will never lose them, except when I die.

There is a nonzero (but ludicrously small) chance that any person in the world will molest a child. Given an infinite amount of time, any person will eventually do every single thing possible. Sorry, just the laws of probability mixed with the concept of infinity.

[Des-Bal]

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

By that logic, you are a peadophile too.

No... If you have the desires to molest children you eventually will I didn't say if you live long enough you become a pedophile.

[Izistan]

Please remind yourself that you are talking about human beings and not sex-crazed animals.

You seriously believe there is a difference?

[Des-Bal]

Yes.

School therapists should be trained to watch for early developmental red flags and any individual who is aware they have these feelings should say so if they don't they aren't half as reasonable as they would claim.

So you're really going to trust that people come forward with a truth that, under your system, would net them mandatory chemical castration? That's "realistic."

If they want help they should seek it if they don't then they should be treated as criminals.

[Des-Bal]

No, they don't want to have sex with you the child physically cannot consent.

I repeat *GONG*: I have wanted to have sex with persons whose consent was absolutely unobtainable. This has happened throughout all my life, and probably will happen until my death, but I don't see myself committing rape because of it.

They WONT consent the child CANT consent. There is a difference.

So?

The only way a pedophile can have his desires is a felony. You see how things come full circle? If you pursue it it will go back and in a few pages will be here again.

BECAUSE EVERYONE IS COMPLETELY OBSESSED WITH FULFILLING ALL OF THEIR SEXUAL URGES AND WILL INEVITABLY SUCCEED OR DIE

That sound you hear is my head against my wall.

Yeah silly Freud.

[The Imperial Navy]

You will act on your desires or you will die first. Its that simple and I'm sure it pisses alot of people off but the strain is constant and your morals aren't made of unobtainium you either break or die before you get the chance.

By that logic, you are a peadophile too.

No... If you have the desires to molest children you eventually will I didn't say if you live long enough you become a pedophile.

But can you prove to me you've never had sexual urges for a child? No. That means if I wanted to, I could claim you are a paedophile. Thats what your logic suggests.

[Station 12]

Please remind yourself that you are talking about human beings and not sex-crazed animals.

You seriously believe there is a difference?

Yes. It says a lot about you that you don't.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

He stated that he wants to fuck children somewhere...?

No, but since the only possibilities for him or anyone else on the planet are that he has already molested a child, he will eventually molest a child, or he will eventually die never having molested a child, and these states are what he claimed define a pedophile, HE HIMSELF ironically fits his own definition.